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There is something to that. The 7x57 does kill a lot of old trophy animals�.including elephant. We can talk about that sometime when Flave isn't eavesdropping. He'll get jealous.
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Double secret & smoking a turd... day is looking up already I am having a 300 H&H built, does that get me off probation and put the fire out?
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Elephants are stunt shooting Me thinks that it was the bullet that did the heavy lifting, cartridge was irrelevant.
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Me thinks that it was the bullet that did the heavy lifting, cartridge was irrelevant. You are too analytical. Quit it.
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Using the 56 to 59 gr. capacity comparison, that translates to 5.35% difference, and using Muledeer's formula of 4% increase in capacity giving you 1% increase in velocity, that comes to 1.33%, which means 35 fps more with a 140-gr. bullet (assuming same pressure).
That difference is hardly grist for an argument in favour of the 7x57. On the7-08 side, it's certainly the case that reloading is usually an easier proposition, considering all the different chamber/throat issues with the Mauser. But still, not a big point, as anyone with a 7x57 can work those issues out and come up with an accurate load.
The real difference would lie more in the realm of panache, class, and nostalgia, which is more important to some than it is to others.
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I am having a 300 H&H built, does that get me off probation and put the fire out? That'll dang sure help!
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On the7-08 side, it's certainly the case that reloading is usually an easier proposition, considering all the different chamber/throat issues with the Mauser. But still, not a big point, as anyone with a 7x57 can work those issues out and come up with an accurate load. Help me out: If the rifle has been made in the last, say, 10 years, wouldn't all that be standardized by now?
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The real difference would lie more in the realm of panache, class, and nostalgia, which is more important to some than it is to others.
The other real difference, at least in factory rifles, is that the 7x57 is set up to handle heavy bullets. If you are going to shoot 140s, it doesn't matter what you get�.but if you want the heavies, the 7x57 is the way to go. I used one extensively on a lot of different game of varying sizes, and it killed them all!
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On the7-08 side, it's certainly the case that reloading is usually an easier proposition, considering all the different chamber/throat issues with the Mauser. But still, not a big point, as anyone with a 7x57 can work those issues out and come up with an accurate load. Help me out: If the rifle has been made in the last, say, 10 years, wouldn't all that be standardized by now? No. Because some of these dinosaurs still want 4" throats so they can shoot 175gr elephant bullets and others want short throats so they can shoot the 120gt TSX. Add that all up and you get a big abortion. AKA The 7x57. Travis
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All I was looking for was some reloading data!! Here you go, Padre. Bob Hagel's "modern" loads in a Ruger M77 22" barrel is a start. 139 gr. Hornady, 53 gr. 4350, 2904 fps 150 gr. Nosler Partition, 53 gr. 4350 2880 fps Bob Hagel's caveat: These loads were all near maximum in the test rifle and should be approached from 3 gr. below. It will be noted that powder charges are heavier and velocities higher than shown in any of the reloading manuals. The reason is that the manual loads are held to low pressures for older rifles with actions of doubtful strength, while the Ruger M-77 is a modern, strong action.There is a plethora of loads in these publications.7X57 Mauser References2012- Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, 7X57mm Mauser, Dave Scovill Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, Contemporaries of the 7x57, Mike Venturino Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, The 7mm Comes Full Circle, John Haviland Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, Seven Deadly Millimeters, Ron Spomer Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, The Legacy of the 7x57, John Barsness Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, The Commercial Sevens, Mike Venturino 2010 � New Zealand Guns and Hunting, #119, July/August, The 7X57 Stalking Rifle, Garry Keown 2010 � New Zealand Guns and Hunting, #118, May/June, The 7X57 � the 7mm Mauser and the 275 Rigby, Garry Keown 2009 � American Rifleman, November, A Perfectly Delightful Cartridge � 7x57 mm Mauser, Jim Wilson 2008 � Handloader, #252, April/May, 7x57 Mauser - The �First� 7mm, John Haviland 2007 � Handloader, #246, April/May, 7x57mm Mauser � The Original 7mm, John Barsness 2004 � Handloader, #231, October/November, 7x57mm Mauser � Accolades from an admirer, Steve Gash 2001 � Handloader, #211, June/July, 7x57mm Mauser � The grand, old 7mm, Stan Trzonec 2000 � Handloader, #206, August/September, 7mm�s � The all-American standard, John Barsness 1999 � American Rifleman, February, 7x57mm Mauser in Modern Rifles, Edward A. Matunas 1995 � Handloader, February 1995, Modern Powders in the 7x57, Ken Waters 1992 � Game Loads And Practical Ballistics For the American Hunter, (see index), Bob Hagel 1991-Guns and Ammo, 1991, 7mm Mauser�Smallbore Blockbuster!, Ross Seyfried 1991 � Rifle, #137, September/October, The 7mm Mauser, Ludwig Olson 1990-American Rifleman, April, 1990, John Rigby & Co., Finn Aagaard 1989 � Nosler Reloading Manual, The 7x57 Mauser, Finn Aagaard 1986-American Rifleman, Nov. 1986, The 7x57 Mauser, Finn Aagaard 1986-Guns, July, 1986, Know Your Hunting Cartridges: The 7mm Mauser, Ed Matunas 1984 � Outdoor Life, March, The 7x57 Mauser, Jim Carmichael 1983 � Handloader, #102, March/April, light hunting bullets in the 7x57mm, Mike Venturino 1982 � Rifle, #83, September/October, Model 70 Featherweight � 7x57mm, Bob Hagel 1982 � Handloader #95, January/February, still popular�7mm Mauser, Ken Waters 1977 � Handloader, #66, March/ April, Super velocities in ONE 7x57, Dennis Hall 1974 � Gun Digest, #28, Forty Years with the Little 7mm, Jack O�Connor 1976 � Guns & Ammo, November 1976, 7x57 Mauser, Les Bowman 1973 � Sports Afield, August, The Welterweight Rifle With The Heavyweight Punch, John Jobson 1973 � Rifle, #27, May/June, Ruger 77 7x57---, Bob Hagel 1970 � The Hunting Rifle, Big Punch in Little Case, Jack O�Connor 1968 � Handloader, # 16, November/December, Cartridge of the Month, 7mm Mauser, (Staff) 1968 � Handloader, September, The 7x57 Mauser, Ken Waters 1967- Gun Digest 1967, The Mysterious Seven, Robert Sherwood 1964 � The Rifle Book, The All-Around Rifle (7x57), Jack O�Connor 1948 � Outdoor Life, October, Arms and Ammunition � The 7mm is great stuff for most big game. Jack O�Connor
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No.
Because some of these dinosaurs still want 4" throats so they can shoot 175gr elephant bullets and others want short throats so they can shoot the 120gt TSX.
Add that all up and you get a big abortion. AKA The 7x57.
Travis
It is apparent in your posts that you are frustrated with the throat of a 7x57. Most of us have the ability to reload taking into consideration a American or European reamer, 8.75" ROT. 9" ROT, 9.5" ROT or a 10" ROT.
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It is apparent in your posts that you are frustrated with the throat of a 7x57. Most of us have the ability to reload taking into consideration a American or European reamer, 8.75" ROT. 9" ROT, 9.5" ROT or a 10" ROT.
I'm not frustrated at all. I own a 7-08. A 10" twisted 7X57? Holy [bleep]. That's gotta be like the Holy Grail of stupid. Travis
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The real difference would lie more in the realm of panache, class, and nostalgia, which is more important to some than it is to others.
The other real difference, at least in factory rifles, is that the 7x57 is set up to handle heavy bullets. If you are going to shoot 140s, it doesn't matter what you get�.but if you want the heavies, the 7x57 is the way to go. I used one extensively on a lot of different game of varying sizes, and it killed them all! True dat.
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Reverend,
It's the April 2007 of Handloader. On its way under two conditions:
1.) Tell God I did this.
2.) Mail it back.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Just got the latest RIFLE Magazine in the mail. There's an article on the 7x57 in it. Haven't read it yet sonot sure how good it might be. Paul B.
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It is apparent in your posts that you are frustrated with the throat of a 7x57. Most of us have the ability to reload taking into consideration a American or European reamer, 8.75" ROT. 9" ROT, 9.5" ROT or a 10" ROT.
I'm not frustrated at all. I own a 7-08. A 10" twisted 7X57? Holy [bleep]. That's gotta be like the Holy Grail of stupid. Travis Suffice to say, you owned and reloaded a 10" 7x57 and it was a POS, correct?
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I believe it was a 9"
(That's what she said)
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Poor cellphone camera picture, but a couple of weeks ago on the closing day of deer season. Rev, Beautiful rifle in an obsolete caliber. I'd re-barrel to 7mm-08 & call it all good.
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All I was looking for was some reloading data!! Here you go, Padre. Bob Hagel's "modern" loads in a Ruger M77 22" barrel is a start. 139 gr. Hornady, 53 gr. 4350, 2904 fps 150 gr. Nosler Partition, 53 gr. 4350 2880 fps Bob Hagel's caveat: These loads were all near maximum in the test rifle and should be approached from 3 gr. below. It will be noted that powder charges are heavier and velocities higher than shown in any of the reloading manuals. The reason is that the manual loads are held to low pressures for older rifles with actions of doubtful strength, while the Ruger M-77 is a modern, strong action.There is a plethora of loads in these publications.7X57 Mauser References2012- Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, 7X57mm Mauser, Dave Scovill Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, Contemporaries of the 7x57, Mike Venturino Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, The 7mm Comes Full Circle, John Haviland Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, Seven Deadly Millimeters, Ron Spomer Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, The Legacy of the 7x57, John Barsness Rifle Magazine, Fall 2012 Special Edition, The Commercial Sevens, Mike Venturino 2010 � New Zealand Guns and Hunting, #119, July/August, The 7X57 Stalking Rifle, Garry Keown 2010 � New Zealand Guns and Hunting, #118, May/June, The 7X57 � the 7mm Mauser and the 275 Rigby, Garry Keown 2009 � American Rifleman, November, A Perfectly Delightful Cartridge � 7x57 mm Mauser, Jim Wilson 2008 � Handloader, #252, April/May, 7x57 Mauser - The �First� 7mm, John Haviland 2007 � Handloader, #246, April/May, 7x57mm Mauser � The Original 7mm, John Barsness 2004 � Handloader, #231, October/November, 7x57mm Mauser � Accolades from an admirer, Steve Gash 2001 � Handloader, #211, June/July, 7x57mm Mauser � The grand, old 7mm, Stan Trzonec 2000 � Handloader, #206, August/September, 7mm�s � The all-American standard, John Barsness 1999 � American Rifleman, February, 7x57mm Mauser in Modern Rifles, Edward A. Matunas 1995 � Handloader, February 1995, Modern Powders in the 7x57, Ken Waters 1992 � Game Loads And Practical Ballistics For the American Hunter, (see index), Bob Hagel 1991-Guns and Ammo, 1991, 7mm Mauser�Smallbore Blockbuster!, Ross Seyfried 1991 � Rifle, #137, September/October, The 7mm Mauser, Ludwig Olson 1990-American Rifleman, April, 1990, John Rigby & Co., Finn Aagaard 1989 � Nosler Reloading Manual, The 7x57 Mauser, Finn Aagaard 1986-American Rifleman, Nov. 1986, The 7x57 Mauser, Finn Aagaard 1986-Guns, July, 1986, Know Your Hunting Cartridges: The 7mm Mauser, Ed Matunas 1984 � Outdoor Life, March, The 7x57 Mauser, Jim Carmichael 1983 � Handloader, #102, March/April, light hunting bullets in the 7x57mm, Mike Venturino 1982 � Rifle, #83, September/October, Model 70 Featherweight � 7x57mm, Bob Hagel 1982 � Handloader #95, January/February, still popular�7mm Mauser, Ken Waters 1977 � Handloader, #66, March/ April, Super velocities in ONE 7x57, Dennis Hall 1974 � Gun Digest, #28, Forty Years with the Little 7mm, Jack O�Connor 1976 � Guns & Ammo, November 1976, 7x57 Mauser, Les Bowman 1973 � Sports Afield, August, The Welterweight Rifle With The Heavyweight Punch, John Jobson 1973 � Rifle, #27, May/June, Ruger 77 7x57---, Bob Hagel 1970 � The Hunting Rifle, Big Punch in Little Case, Jack O�Connor 1968 � Handloader, # 16, November/December, Cartridge of the Month, 7mm Mauser, (Staff) 1968 � Handloader, September, The 7x57 Mauser, Ken Waters 1967- Gun Digest 1967, The Mysterious Seven, Robert Sherwood 1964 � The Rifle Book, The All-Around Rifle (7x57), Jack O�Connor 1948 � Outdoor Life, October, Arms and Ammunition � The 7mm is great stuff for most big game. Jack O�Connor Holy cow! Thank you!
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Reverend,
It's the April 2007 of Handloader. On its way under two conditions:
1.) Tell God I did this.
2.) Mail it back.
Travis Thank you very much. No need to send the magazine, but I really appreciate the offer. You've given me the reference so I'll pick up a back issue. But again, thanks. Oh, and God says thanks too.
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