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Travis,
We need to drink some Tumbleweed together and get to the truth of many subjects. Though not the .270 versus 7x57. For that we need another large dog-trainer along, who brings free and decent bourbon.
Oh, and we could also invite Shrapnel, though he won't bring anything except free Coca-Cola, which he'll only dispense in tiny cans which say "not for sale or trade."
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
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Travis,
We need to drink some Tumbleweed together and get to the truth of many subjects. Though not the .270 versus 7x57. For that we need another large man along, who brings free and decent bourbon. Ahem�and I was just introduced to Rebecca Creek, the new love of my life, which I will pick up in Texas in May. Meanwhile�ladder tests. JB: you remember what happened last time I got on a ladder without testing it first...
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Tried googling the ladder but it came up proprietary...
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Tom,
Well, that proves any sort of ladder test is untrustworthy.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
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And as for hunting accuracy�." if it'll hit a white rock, its good to go�"
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Travis,
We need to drink some Tumbleweed together and get to the truth of many subjects. Though not the .270 versus 7x57. For that we need another large dog-trainer along, who brings free and decent bourbon.
Oh, and we could also invite Shrapnel, though he won't bring anything except free Coca-Cola, which he'll only dispense in tiny cans which say "not for sale or trade." Sir, The 7x57 isn't a smokeless cartridge. The .270 is. Ingwe only likes that round because he found so much brass for free after everybody on the battlefield died. I love Shrap, but every time he leaves I can't find my wallet. It's bizarre. You are all welcome here any time but I am starting to think the wallet thing is not a coincidence. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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well then�.you wont miss it if its gone when we leave�..
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Travis,
The ONLY thing non-coincidental about any Shrapnel encounter is a lighter wallet.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
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Travis,
We need to drink some Tumbleweed together and get to the truth of many subjects. Though not the .270 versus 7x57. For that we need another large dog-trainer along, who brings free and decent bourbon.
Oh, and we could also invite Shrapnel, though he won't bring anything except free Coca-Cola, which he'll only dispense in tiny cans which say "not for sale or trade." Sir, The 7x57 isn't a smokeless cartridge. The .270 is. Ingwe only likes that round because he found so much brass for free after everybody on the battlefield died. I love Shrap, but every time he leaves I can't find my wallet. It's bizarre. You are all welcome here any time but I am starting to think the wallet thing is not a coincidence. Travis Next time, don't let him touch your azz....Just sayin
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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And as for hunting accuracy�." if it'll hit a white rock, its good to go�" Here it is paddy melons, I defy anyone to pass a paddock full of them by and not start shooting them.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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That looks like a thorny Tsama melon!
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Denton: This past year I've been using a new to me method of comparing rifles and loads, and I would like your opinion of the value of it. I shoot a ten shot group, mark the median elevation and windage point, then measure the distance of each shot from that point. What I compare between loads is the median value of each load. Why are you using medians, rather than means?
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Ingwe,
Your bride was on the news the other night discussing a blood drive or something.
I yelled out "she lives with a dinosaur!" And the whole room accused me of being drunk and told me to STFU.
Anyway, I was thinking of you and thought you should know.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Travis,
The ONLY thing non-coincidental about any Shrapnel encounter is a lighter wallet. He also slaps me in the back of the head whenever I disagree with him. Starts to sting at the end of the day. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Ingwe,
Your bride was on the news the other night discussing a blood drive or something.
I yelled out "she lives with a dinosaur!" And the whole room accused me of being drunk and told me to STFU.
Anyway, I was thinking of you and thought you should know.
Travis Thanks for thinking of me, I knew I had a warm fuzzy feeling for some reason. But the 'rest of the room' was right.STFU If you can keep the grass from growing too high in June, I'll talk JB into a gopher/bourbon/pizza safari up there and we will come and take your wallet and drink your stuff.
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Originally Posted By: Youper Denton: This past year I've been using a new to me method of comparing rifles and loads, and I would like your opinion of the value of it. I shoot a ten shot group, mark the median elevation and windage point, then measure the distance of each shot from that point. What I compare between loads is the median value of each load.
Why are you using medians, rather than means? I can think of two good reasons: 1) Medians are easier to do in the field. Slide a card down the target until it is over the center of the middle shot (or between the two middle shots if an even number of shots), and strike a horizontal line. Turn the card 90 degrees, do the same (might be a different shot) and strike a vertical line. That is the median position of the group. No calculations. 2) Medians are robust to outliers. A flier will not pull the median, as it does the mean. If you have a flier, it's probably a "more true" representation of "center" than the mean is. That's good for sighting in your scope. I'm not quite clear on how he is evaluating "spread", but mean distance from center, median distance from center, standard deviation, and group size all convey essentially the same information in "different clothes".
Be not weary in well doing.
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If you can keep the grass from growing too high in June, I'll talk JB into a gopher/bourbon/pizza safari up there and we will come and take your wallet and drink your stuff.
That would mean a lot to me. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Denton: This past year I've been using a new to me method of comparing rifles and loads, and I would like your opinion of the value of it. I shoot a ten shot group, mark the median elevation and windage point, then measure the distance of each shot from that point. What I compare between loads is the median value of each load. Why are you using medians, rather than means? Nerd alert! Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Be not weary in well doing.
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I can think of two good reasons: 1) Medians are easier to do in the field. Slide a card down the target until it is over the center of the middle shot (or between the two middle shots if an even number of shots), and strike a horizontal line. Turn the card 90 degrees, do the same (might be a different shot) and strike a vertical line. That is the median position of the group. No calculations. 2) Medians are robust to outliers. A flier will not pull the median, as it does the mean. If you have a flier, it's probably a "more true" representation of "center" than the mean is. That's good for sighting in your scope. I can see the first reason. I'm not so sure I want the effect of fliers discounted in that way though. While purely trying to test ammunition, and I'm sure I yanked a shot, I think I'd be more comfortable ignoring it entirely and then shooting another to replace it. While testing the ammo, rifle, and myself as a "system" then the fliers should have full weight.
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