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I'm so tempted to say ... B S

so I'll just say .... S R and let it go at that.


The ONLY foreign rifle I have is a Tikka T3 Lite so it's a boat paddle.

ALL the others are 'merican' made and are capable of shooting better than I can.

I do NOT keep any rifle that I can't get " 1 " accuracy or better.

There is the issue of how the rifle will shoot day in and day out in response to both the shooters ability and the ability of the rifle to utilize its group size.

As far as I"m concerned, the best accuracy is what I"m after. Since I bring error to the platform as do conditions that, while they can be compensated for, generally are not ever totally clear cut in their value.

So one could say a rifle at its best groups 2 moa. I as a shooter, and tested by laser trainers, in a sling prone add about .3 moa to that. IMHO if you averaged actual field shots in a hurry, I bet I add 1-2 moa in reality. And then you add the shooting conditions factor, IE you could miss a condition call by 1-2 moa... thats 6 moa fairly quickly as a possible.

Thats one reason I strive to make ALL of the components the best they can be, me and my condition reading included.

So that one has the least amount of error as a package.

These guys were always around, as I'm sure you're well aware of , they just have a more readily available medium for transporting these ideas

They were stuck in gun shops, gun clubs, and coffee shops before! I blame Bill Gates also... or did Al Gore invent the internet?

I think the Chinese invented the Internets to influence the 1976 US presdiential election. Up until Carter came along, you never heard of the Internets. Coincidence?

I think you're on to something there...

I get it, thanks.

Glad you mentioned the wood/biodegradable part of the discussion. My newest rifle has wood 24/7. It is biodegradable from the perspective of termites, but there seems to be a deterrent in the form of sulfur residue. Will let you know how this works out in 30-40 years or so. I licked it a few times but wasn't inspired to go further due the faint trace of oils and such.

I don't know if my strategy is sound, but in the rush to S/S guns it seems a fair number of wood wearing CM barreled guns are available at fair prices. It is a market niche that has been kind to me. To be fair, I'm wondering what all the brouhaha is about over this accuracy thing. I have never seen a critter with a German ring target tat on it's vital zone and to date have been unsuccessful in conjuring an edible recipe for paper with the X-ring shot out of it.

Another point that is bothersome goes to this 'inherently accurate' concept. I send pears every night hoping someone will define that for me. Some point to the 6mm PPC and I ask how it does at 1,000 yards. They snarl. They point out the things that can be done with an F Class gun and the 6.5x284 at 1,000 yards and I ask how that works outside the Longbranch at high noon. They snarl again. I ask what cartridge they prefer for offhand in an open class bolt gun and they start throwing stuff at me. Ingrates.



That right there is my .17 cal hog killer.



Best,

DD

There's no such thing as inherent accuracy. There is such a thing as inherited accuracy, as these pictures clearly demonstrate. Inherited accuracy has proven to be the best and longest lasting.



Did you know that side by side shotguns actually were invented by mistake? Until the mid 1800s, there were only over and under shotguns. Side by sides appeared after my great, great grandfather went out hunting for quail and fell over. He took his first quail "on his side". Poof! Another firearms type was born.

I'm glad that your love of shotguns is paying off in cost savings. Older shotguns are things of beauty. They rest comfortably in the hands and need no purposeful manipulation to hit what they're aimed at.

That is a handsome rifle. Just watch what chemicals you get on the wood. You don't want it to smell like a well oiled sock. I had a similarly stocked rifle once. The wood burl my grandfather used was cut from a spaghetti tree. He wasn't Italian, but loved to hunt tomatoes in northern Italy. Sadly, WWI broke out and he was forced to relocate to Romania.

I do love my shotguns. I was raised shooting them and inherited a lot of accuracy from Gramps. He wore out a LC Smith 16 shooting quail and was working on the second when he passed. Few birds survived his focus.

I became afflicted by rifles much later in life. It has been an inherently problematic endeavor.

Concerning rifle accuracy (remember that discussion?), small groups at 100 yards just tell me the rifle is worth testing at longer ranges, such as will be encountered while hunting. I don't profess to be a "long-range hunter", but I want to know that my first bullet will land within about 3 inches of the intended spot out to 300 yards or so, and even out to 400 with certain rifles. If the group at 100 yards is already 4 inches, chances are that it will not get better at longer ranges. Such a rifle is not automatically eliminated from the herd, but a man needs to know his, and his rifle's, limitations. Also, group size at 100 yards is not a foolproof automatic indication of what the rifle will do at 300 or 400. That can only be determined by actually shooting at 300 or 400 yards, as most knowledgable loonies here already understand.

Emphasis mine and added.

I object your Honor. There is no evidence that the alleged 'knowledgeable loonies' are knowledgeable or loonies inasmuch as there has been no examination. There has been no testimony as to where the average person, or looney (if it please the court) would find a place to shoot 300 or 400 yards. This implies that the average looney, not to be confused with the 'knowledgeable looney', has any recourse for said determination.

The argument is neither answered or settled, and it is requested this discussion be recessed for the evening semi-dressed tart extravaganza.

I had a suspicion that this thread would go in the toilet.

DD....er....Counselor.....do you mean to state to the Court that not all rifle loonies actually shoot at 300-400 yards to verify accuracy potential of their rifles??

100 yard 3 shot groups are "it"?

Case (thread) closed, then.

Let the extravaganza commence.

And it went there!

Then one last post before it is abandoned.


My firearms do what they do and it is up to me to work with-in those limitations.

there is a reason Pat holds his long range Ice Breaker shoot out here in the spring.....aint that hard to find a place to shoot to a 1000 yards or more if you really want to.....find yourself a nice straight coulee and have at it...watched guys take their rifles out to a mile at Pats shoot.....one guy, MontanaMarine, was taking his 30-06 out that far.....granted i aint one of the long range shooters on this board, yet, but looking at getting in on it because the country up here makes finding a spot to practice easy....

Exactly.


And practice shows you limitations instantly. Sometimes it is pretty humbling but that is a good thing. Work within your skill level when hunting, practice further out.

First clue was maybe a couple dozen pages or there abouts?

Well, IMO, FWIW, a fella either knows the shot will connect or he's sending it on a wing and a prayer. Doesn't much matter what the distance is, or anything else. If he KNOWS, it's because he has done his homework. Otherwise it's all guess and by golly. MOA or fractions/multiples thereof is nice and all that, but the question is, "Can you make the shot?" Yes or No? There is no in between.

The problem with Far East stocks is all the hippies smokin' them. Best high this side of Maui Wowie and Humboldt County ThunderIjustforgot.


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Anybody got a Hostess fruit pie?


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No, but if you can hold minute of waffle iron throw some Pillsbury cinnamon rolls on the deck and rock on.