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bea - your sig line is really funny. That dog have any pups? I wish he did
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I have one of each. They do different things. There will always be room for both.
I like the .22-250 more because I feel it is more versatile thanks to its added power and range.
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I have one of each. They do different things. There will always be room for both.
I like the .22-250 more because I feel it is more versatile thanks to its added power and range. I'd be interested in seeing one of the ballistic chart comparisons showing the added range. It seems the faster twist available in the .223 with higher BC bullets would catch the 22-250 at long yardage.
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So getting a faster twist barrel in 22-250 would require a custom build? Seems all the usual suspects have 14 twists.
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Bingo, MOST 22-250s and 220 swifts that I'm aware of are 1:14 twist, most commercial 223s are 1:12, then with the AR craze and options, you can get 1:9 or 1:8, (TIKKA offers bolt action 1:8 - I have one) 60 gr Nosler Partition and benchmark powder, I shot exactly one deer with mine, not impressed, won't do it again, unless I had to.
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I'd be interested in seeing one of the ballistic chart comparisons showing the added range. It seems the faster twist available in the .223 with higher BC bullets would catch the 22-250 at long yardage.
The high BC bullets out of a .223 will easily trump the low BC bullets out of a 22-250. Especially on a windy day. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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So getting a faster twist barrel in 22-250 would require a custom build? Seems all the usual suspects have 14 twists. I believe Savage offers a 1-9" twist. So yes, you'll need to build. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Bingo, MOST 22-250s and 220 swifts that I'm aware of are 1:14 twist, most commercial 223s are 1:12, then with the AR craze and options, you can get 1:9 or 1:8, (TIKKA offers bolt action 1:8 - I have one) 60 gr Nosler Partition and benchmark powder, I shot exactly one deer with mine, not impressed, won't do it again, unless I had to. Ruger, Kimber, Salvage, and Remington all offer bolt guns with a 1-9" twist and chambered in the .223. Georgia deer are tough. You gotta bring enough gun. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Since my impetuous youth is a distant memory, probably not.
Let's hear all about your 22-250. Travis
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So getting a faster twist barrel in 22-250 would require a custom build? Seems all the usual suspects have 14 twists. I believe Savage offers a 1-9" twist. So yes, you'll need to build. Travis That's a good one! The thing about Georgia deer is that back in the 30's and 40's, most of the native stock was wiped out by screw worm infestations. Screw worms are the larvae of some kind of fly, best as I can recall. I think they named them this because if a deer got stung by one of these flies, it was screwed. Anyway, at some point, the screw worms were eradicated. Then, the game and fish people restocked Georgia and a lot of other southern states suffering from the same malady with deer from northern states. This means that our deer, like many of our people are Yankee transplants. Like their human counterparts, they are not that tough, just hardheaded as hell, and attitude is everything. Unless you hammer them right, they will argue the fact that they are dead with you by running off into the briars, swamps, and pine thickets just to be difficult. It is sort of like when you try and convince a human Yankee that Obama sucks. So, a lot of folks feel more comfortable with bigger cartridges. I am somewhat bummed that I am limited to a Salvage in 22-250 cause I am too cheap to go the custom gun route. I was thinking that a Barnes in 22-250 would be the way to go but all of them require fast twist. Regardless, I learned some stuff in this thread. But, being from the South, I might not remember much of it after lunch.
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You can shoot the 53gr Barnes TSX out of a standard twist 22-250.
Might not work on Georgia deer, but it works in most locales.
The fiddy-three is a killer.
Travis
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That is good to know....thanks.
If I get one I will only use it when I go over to South Carolina to hunt.....just to be safe.
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You can shoot the 53gr Barnes TSX out of a standard twist 22-250.
Might not work on Georgia deer, but it works in most locales.
The fiddy-three is a killer.
Travis It will shoot out of a 1 in 14" barrel. Even if the gun has fancy wood
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The 60gr. Hornady SP will stabilize and kills stuff dead as well. If you can find some.
Have fun and GFY.
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You can shoot the 53gr Barnes TSX out of a standard twist 22-250.
Might not work on Georgia deer, but it works in most locales.
The fiddy-three is a killer.
Travis It will shoot out of a 1 in 14" barrel. Even if the gun has fancy wood Works even if the gun has non-fancy wood!
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Now this is a thread that interest me. I have 223's with 8,9 and 12 twist, I have a 22-250 with an 8 twist.
After having and liking both very much I prefer the 223 overall for the following reasons.
Availability (I was at Walmart tonight and they had lots of 223 ammo and no 22-250 ammo, I then went to Academy Sports same deal lots of 223 including 8 different "deer loads" and no 22-250 ammo at all.)
Economy (223 brass is cheap heck even free most of the time. Primers no advantage either way. Powder same in both but it goes further in 223. Finally, bullets no advantage except the 223 works better with soft bullets it seems.)
Accuracy (it's easy to get the 223 to shot great with any bullet, the 22-250 has took a lot more effort. Even after more load development my 223's all out shoot my 22-250.)
Fun (The 223 is just more fun to shoot. Neither recoils much but the 223 is still less. Less noise in 223. Bores never seem to foul in 223 which means less cleaning which I hate doing by the way.)
Effectiveness ( The 223 is just not that far behind the 22-250 even with heavies in both rifles. At short range I think the lower velocity of the 223 is an advantage as it penetrates more and seems to get more exits. At best it seems the 22-250 has a 100 yard increase in effective range. I'm comfortable with the 223 to 200 yards where 300 is my limit with the 22-250. Others might use them further but these are my comfort zones.)
Granted I don't have much as personal experience with the 22-250 and do with the 223 but this is just my opinion and experience of the two. I'm not getting rid of either but limited to one it would be the .223 for me.
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Reasons to pick a 223 over a 22-250? Reason #1: Because Kimber doesn't make a .22-250 Montana.
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Reasons to pick a 223 over a 22-250? Reason #1: Because Kimber doesn't make a .22-250 Montana. Riiiiiggggggghtttt Inq: That isn't another deer that just fell over in shock due to your awesome 6 ft 5 hunters presence was it? I hear the deer in Montana shake in fear at the mention of your or Travis's names...
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Now this is a thread that interest me. I have 223's with 8,9 and 12 twist, I have a 22-250 with an 8 twist.
After having and liking both very much I prefer the 223 overall for the following reasons.
Availability (I was at Walmart tonight and they had lots of 223 ammo and no 22-250 ammo, I then went to Academy Sports same deal lots of 223 including 8 different "deer loads" and no 22-250 ammo at all.)
Economy (223 brass is cheap heck even free most of the time. Primers no advantage either way. Powder same in both but it goes further in 223. Finally, bullets no advantage except the 223 works better with soft bullets it seems.)
Accuracy (it's easy to get the 223 to shot great with any bullet, the 22-250 has took a lot more effort. Even after more load development my 223's all out shoot my 22-250.)
Fun (The 223 is just more fun to shoot. Neither recoils much but the 223 is still less. Less noise in 223. Bores never seem to foul in 223 which means less cleaning which I hate doing by the way.)
Effectiveness ( The 223 is just not that far behind the 22-250 even with heavies in both rifles. At short range I think the lower velocity of the 223 is an advantage as it penetrates more and seems to get more exits. At best it seems the 22-250 has a 100 yard increase in effective range. I'm comfortable with the 223 to 200 yards where 300 is my limit with the 22-250. Others might use them further but these are my comfort zones.)
Granted I don't have much as personal experience with the 22-250 and do with the 223 but this is just my opinion and experience of the two. I�m not getting rid of either but limited to one it would be the .223 for me. I�m right there with ya. If I want more than what a 223/223 AI has to offer, I want more bullet. So I�ll happily step up to a 6mm of some variety.
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