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That is one of the coolest things I've ever seen Rattler, helluva find bud.
After finding that how did you get back to Scottf's?
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If is IS a bison vertebrae, we're talking 10,000+ years old... I would conclude not true due to the projectile point shape. It is not Paleo-like, rather it has more modern shape that has a subconvex base and is side notched. But then, I am no expert...just a casual projectile point collector.
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It is similar shape (different material) to the one cited. That one is from a bison latifro, which is over 20,000 years old. Ask Ken Howell. I'm sure he wrote a story when that caliber projectile came out... 
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Just make sure it isn't a discard from the ancient artifact making class that Scott gave a few years back.
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If is IS a bison vertebrae, we're talking 10,000+ years old... I would conclude not true due to the projectile point shape. It is not Paleo-like, rather it has more modern shape that has a subconvex base and is side notched. But then, I am no expert...just a casual projectile point collector. That is correct, though. The point is middle Archaic Era. 4000-5000 years old.
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If is IS a bison vertebrae, we're talking 10,000+ years old... I would conclude not true due to the projectile point shape. It is not Paleo-like, rather it has more modern shape that has a subconvex base and is side notched. But then, I am no expert...just a casual projectile point collector. That is correct, though. The point is middle Archaic Era. 4000-5000 years old. If the point is 4-5,000 years old, it would then lead to the assumption that it is bison occidentalis, the predecessor to the bison bison. (modern bison)
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Man, that is so cool! I could only wish...
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This place is certainly an interesting one to hang about.
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The dean of the Graduate School of Anthropology at Washington State University, Dr. William Andrefsky, is an expert in Northwest Lithic technology. Just for kicks, I sent him an email with a link to this thread. http://libarts.wsu.edu/anthro/faculty/andrefsky.html
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Pardon my ignorance, but if it is bison... how does that automatically get us back 10k years?
I did go back a re-read but am not connecting the dots.
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Very cool find, 2,000 -4,000 years old maybe from a bear? I talked along time ago to a guy that hunts arrow heads here in Michigan, he found about the same thing as you did I seen a pic of it, he had a friend at U of M here check it out, turned out it was human about 3,000 years old! if you neeed a place to store it while your on your walk about, Pm me!
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The dean of the Graduate School of Anthropology at Washington State University, Dr. William Andrefsky, is an expert in Northwest Lithic technology. Just for kicks, I sent him an email with a link to this thread. http://libarts.wsu.edu/anthro/faculty/andrefsky.html It will be quite interesting to see what he says. I already have a very good idea. But will wait to see what his reply is. 
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Pardon my ignorance, but if it is bison... how does that automatically get us back 10k years?
I did go back a re-read but am not connecting the dots. Not automatically, but not many modern bison historically in western Washington, but 10,000 years ago, the bison antiquus roamed the area. And 20,000 years ago the bison latifrons roamed and both were hunted by prehistoric man. The bison occidentalis was also considered by some scientists to be a smaller subspecies of antiquus and it died out about 5,000 years ago.
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Pardon my ignorance, but if it is bison... how does that automatically get us back 10k years?
I did go back a re-read but am not connecting the dots. Not automatically, but not many modern bison historically in western Washington, but 10,000 years ago, the bison antiquus roamed the area. And 20,000 years ago the bison latifrons roamed and both were hunted by prehistoric man. The bison occidentalis was also considered by some scientists to be a smaller subspecies of antiquus and it died out about 5,000 years ago. Gotcha. That was my only guess was a habitat/range issue. OP is from Montana but found in a salmon stream, I was guessing further west
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Cool stuff, I love learning.
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That is really an awesome find!
Talk about a piece of history...err a pre-history that is. Wow!
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Pardon my ignorance, but if it is bison... how does that automatically get us back 10k years?
I did go back a re-read but am not connecting the dots. Not automatically, but not many modern bison historically in western Washington, but 10,000 years ago, the bison antiquus roamed the area. And 20,000 years ago the bison latifrons roamed and both were hunted by prehistoric man. The bison occidentalis was also considered by some scientists to be a smaller subspecies of antiquus and it died out about 5,000 years ago. Gotcha. That was my only guess was a habitat/range issue. OP is from Montana but found in a salmon stream, I was guessing further west OP has been visiting Scott F, who lives in western Washington on the Olympic Peninsula. Many of us peek on on ScottF and now Rattler in a voyeuristic sort of way.
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That is just too cool. Any luck placing the arrow head by style?
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