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Yep, well surmised...an obvious area of concern as well is the resource--to me the most important facet.
As you alluded, it isn't likely to affect much.

And my 10-year old who followed the rules gets screwed. He couldn't apply for trophy or biggame draws (per IDFG) and patiently waits for the second draw.

No Bry, make it a life lesson for your kid.
Tell yours that it is noble to play by the rules, whether the system justifies it or not.

This small ID f&g situation is a microcosm of the "takers" in our system. Props to you and your child for doing what is right. I hope a second draw tag awaits for you guys....

HMMM new update

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/media/viewNewsRelease.cfm?newsID=7205

Have they said yet when the new drawing will be? It's HIGHLY unlikely that we'll draw for elk as there are 4 in our group. There's not much chance that they'll add 4 bull tags in any unit.

Well, the results will be up by July 10th, so that draw has to be soon.

We put in for cow elk tags, but we aren't on a group tag as a family. We put in individually.
Maybe we'll do some good. But it's doubtful.

Have been up to my eyeballs in work, but glad to hear the concern voiced as well as a reasonable (as possible) outcome. Not perfect, not ideal, but reasonable.

Good luck to all on a possible pickup tag ax well as the second draw.

Sometime today they're supposed to post what tags they've added along with more info on the draw. There are 316 tags in question but they're only adding 283 tags.

My 10-year old laughed at getting his $6.25 fee waived.

so this thread is about some guys who didn't draw and are mad some kids did. all because the fish and game guys screwed up the draw and confused a lot of folks?

or are they hoping a bunch of people could be kicked out of the draw to improve their odds and have a do-over with the draw?

it's clear to everyone that the state screwed up, the only question is who do you screw over? because at this point there is no win-win.

[quote=Colorado1135]so this thread is about some guys who didn't draw and are mad some kids did. all because the fish and game guys screwed up the draw and confused a lot of folks?

LOL nope at least for me, its about following the rules F&G had in the regs. Then all the kids whose parents followed the regs, are the ones who got screwed. If someone can't follow the regs for applying for tags you think they follow them while hunting?

Yep and the parents that can't read screwed up also. The win would have been fixing it before the draw results were released.

Every application had a date of birth on it. All the state would have had to do is flag those applications and disqualify them. Of course we don't know when in the process the error was discovered. The draw might have been over by that time. But still, we're expected to know the regs and it was there, very plain and clear.

Colorado, there is no seething here.
This issue isn't about sour grapes, if these other guys here are like me, they know where to kill a good buck or elk without the use of a special tag, Idaho is a great state!
This issue was about rules that were broken and how it was handled.

I'm fortunate to hunt both Alaska and Idaho if I chose.
My son lives in AK and that allows me the opportunity for lots of big game and sheep and goat OTC.

Hope the applicants don't screw up on their taxes. Hear tell the IRS doesn't give a [bleep] if you 'don't understand', 'miss some rule' or 'things aren't clear'....

But the IRS can discriminate and 'have a hard drive crash' and expect zero accountability.
They can GFT.

that is true if all applications were electronic. going through paper apps filled out by hand would take forever.

only remedy I can see are go through and pull all group apps/tags that drew on the first go-round, put them into the second drawing you spoke of and make them available to all that are left. postpone the draw if need be to make it happen. no reason to exclude them all together for the screw up.

The drawing is done by computer so all the paper apps are data entered by hand anyway.

The 2d chance drawing is a drawing for unclaimed tags and it's open to anyone. Putting the added tags there isn't fair to the the original unsuccessful applicants in the drawing because it adds a lot more competition for a few tags.

I gotcha.

here we have 2-3 drawings before left over tags are open to anyone. in a case like that it would work. crappy situation it would seem all around

Idaho used to have just 1 drawing. The drawing is for a permit to hunt in a particular hunt and you buy the tag separately. They were having a problem with anti's applying for permits but never buying tags or hunting so they decided to force them to at least buy a tag if they drew a permit. They put an Aug 1 deadline on buying the tag. If you don't, your permit is invalidated and they have a 2d drawing in Aug for those unused permits.
The 1st year they had the Aug 1 cutoff was a mess. They posted the list of available permits and sold them on a 1st come 1st served basis starting on a certain day. Vendors all over the state collected the licenses of their buddies and bought them permits before selling any to the general public. Needless to say, the public was furious. The next year they came up with the 2d chance drawing and it's worked very well.