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What special kind of moron associates (and on that basis) condemns a conservative defense of a most fundamental conservative concept (the natural family) on the basis that someone's GPS coordinates happen to be a place on a map knowns as Kalifornia? What special kind of idiot employs that kind of "logic"??

A functional alcoholic with myopic vision along with delusions that his is the only way.

Its Jordan. How ironic that you, a father of two, (is it?), who claims to be married, (and believe me, we're starting to wonder!) conceives of the family as parasitic, as public burden, rather than a benefit. That can only come from your experience with family, derived, I presume from your experience with your parents, siblings and your own wife and children. Were all of them parasites sucking off the system? On the face of your sweeping generalization and condemnation of the family, apparently so!

My experience with family (and the experience of every society in the known history of the world) is just the opposite of yours: it is in the family proper---a family with a mother and father at its head---that boys are most likely to learn a proper respect for womanhood, to learn how to become men, to learn the moral virtues (including the virtues of self-discipline, frugality, selflessness and hard work) that are so essential for individual success and happiness and therewith, societal success and happiness. It is in broken families---families of divorced women and in which there is no male role model ("families" in which there really is no family, in the proper meaning of the word) where children tend to become parasitic; where social welfare agencies and schools become, of necessity, substitutes for absent parents, lousy parents or no parents at all. That's why the subjects of Charles Murray's great book "Losing Ground" made such a point of emphasizing the tragic consequence of welfare driving men from the home and thereby impoverishing families, creating a permanent underclass and creating generations of juvenile delinquent males who, without a proper male role model, grow to rape, steal, pillage and murder. All of which militates strongly in favor of ever larger and more intrusive government, not less. Out of wedlocks births in the black family are what, close to 70%. It didn't use to be this way. And white "families" are hot on the heels of blacks.

The point is that the destruction of the American family mirrors the increased demand for social welfare and the concomitant massive increase in government. especially since the 60s. This is the primary reason why Marx (like you) so strongly desired the destruction of the heterosexual, two parent family. It was the family (the family according to nature) that was a bulwark against dependence on government and Marx wanted individuals to look first to the government for support, not themselves or their families. It is indisputable that the breakdown of the family increases dependence on government. That is why the Founders, who believed in limited government, favored the institution of the family as "that seminary upon which the nation ultimately depends for its manners as well as its numbers." They wanted a citizenry whose "needs" were consonant with limited government, not a nanny state.

Marxism demands exactly the opposite and as anyone with the IQ of an ant can comprehend, the neo-Marxian dream for the destruction of the natural family has been taken up by the sodomy rights movement, which is now the driving force toward the realization of this pivotal Marxian goal. The more honest proponents of the political agenda of the homosexual rights movement (I posted a video link several months ago) are outspoken and very candid that marriage equality is not the goal. The goal is the destruction of marriage altogether. The logic is simple: by having a public policy that uncouples marriage from its natural ends (procreation and the good rearing of the young into responsible adults) and re-conceptualizing marriage as purely a contractual relationship based on solely on the transient and emotional needs of adults, "natural" marriage will simply become one of any number of acceptable alternate arrangements, one no more superior than the other. And given that maintaining a natural marriage---an arrangement that primarily benefits children---is difficult under the best circumstances, why bother? Once marriage is detached from its natural purposes and re-conceptualized as whatever arrangement serves the pleasure of consenting adults, then the needs of children are, by definition, no longer a consideration and any arrangement between two adults which places the needs of children first (such as natural marriage) is just one alternative among many, neither legally or intrinsically morally superior to any other arrangement. The intended consequence will be a massive upswing in demands for governmental intervention (more prisons, more social workers, more welfare), not less. That is their endgame. By removing parents and the home as the primary source of emotional, physical and psychological sustenance for children (as the primary source of moral education) and replacing parents and the home with the State, Leftism (neo-Marxism) can then mold children into the model citizens (the "new men") that Marxism hopes to create.

The reason government policy favors heterosexual marriage (and even at that, it barely does so and BTW, the withdrawal of preference for natural marriage has coincided tightly with its destruction and a corresponding increase in the demand for social service and governmental intervention) is because nature, reason and experience all show that a society comprised of adults raised in homes presided over by two loving, parents (each of whom makes a special contribution to the well being of their children by virtue of their [the parents'] distinct and different genders, is the society most likely to be the least dependent on other families---on other people (i.e., least dependent on the government) for its basic, fundamental needs. This is why limited government presupposes a society that inculcates the moral virtues in its citizens. Children who are raised to work hard, not to steal, not to lie, not to cheat, to save their money, to respect the rights of others, etc., etc. grow into adults who are far less likely to darken the courthouse door or the door of the welfare agency.

It is rather stunning is it not, that on this most fundamental question, a moderator on this board (who, not coincidentally I would argue, is constantly soliciting other men to "suck his cock") has more in common with Karl Marx than with George Washington?

Jordan

Damn dude!

Walk into a stabilator?

Thanks for the Al-Asad pictures. I'm having a hard time placing exactly where on the base they're taken. I wasn't there until 2009.

I lived up on Tower Rd right across from the tower in a bunch of chu's called Tripoli City. There was a real small shoppette there and a dfac. About 1/2 a mile from the trash incinerators.

That sunset picture is a perfect capture of what I remember there. That and the never ending sand storms there.

I've got some pictures somewhere around here of my office there. I'll see if I can find them and send them to ya via PM.

A functional alcoholic with myopic vision along with delusions that his is the only way.

I have met more than one anything that was a completely useless POS. Of course the odds of meeting such rises exponentially the closer to I-5 one gets.

I have met more than one anything that was a completely useless POS. Of course the odds of meeting such rises exponentially the closer to I-5 one gets.


I don't like folks that wave their military time, just as I don't like those that wave Jesus.

The best aren't braggarts about anything.

Was fixing a sliding doghouse. Someone spun the head without saying anything. I stood up hit the aft corner of the blade and fell off the helicopter.

As for the pictures they are on the taxi ways going up the hill to the runways. The Big White hanger is in one of the pictures. In front of the Big White hanger was the SF compound. Where you lived was emptiness when I was there. I had heard that DFAC up there burnt like three days after they opened it. I was in Balad by then.

I have met more than one anything that was a completely useless POS. Of course the odds of meeting such rises exponentially the closer to I-5 one gets.


I don't like folks that wave their military time, just as I don't like those that wave Jesus.

The best aren't braggarts about anything.

My thoughts exactly.

A ton of vets out there that are worthless.