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Ed,

Actually science is correct, not either of you two. THERE IS NO GENETIC LINK BETWEEN ASHKENAZI JEWS AND BIBLICAL HEBREWS.

Why would you suppose that descendants of Biblical Hebrews in no manner resemble Ashkenazi Jews?

Ed & Pete,

Tell a big enough lie often enough and people will believe it, right?

Now that we know your strategy, get to working on geneticists that have exposed your lie.

You do remember Kinsley and Hamer, two queers who said that they had isolated a queer gene. It was powerful stuff. We had to accept queers even though God commanded us to stone them because if they were born queer, then that meant that God had created them queer, so we had to accept them. The only problem was it was all junk science, propaganda that gullible Americans swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Propaganda really has hard hitting impact when you tell people that they're smart if the believe it.

Well, it turned out that Kinsley and Hamer were two queers with an agenda to prove the existence of a queer gene. One scientists who attempted to validate their research called their research junk science.

It's a little suspicious that no one but two queers were able to isolate a queer gene, don't you think?

I wonder if all 12 Hebrew tribes looked alike?They must look Chaldean.Is Chaldean just another way of saying "the rich folks upstream"if so they are just Sumerian.All guess work.

Ed,

You spout off propaganda. You ought to get your scientific FACTS straight before opening your shill spout:

"The new findings contradict previous assertions that Ashkenazi mitochondrial lineages originated in the Near East, or from mass conversions to Judaism in the Khazar kingdom, an empire in the north Caucasus region between Europe and Asia lasting from the 7th century to the 11th century whose leaders adopted Judaism. �We found that most of the maternal lineages don�t trace to the north Caucasus, which would be a proxy for the Khazarians, or to the Near East, but most of them emanate from Europe,� said coauthor Martin Richards, an archaeogeneticist at the University of Huddersfield in the U.K.

Richards and colleagues� story �seems reasonable,� said Harry Ostrer, a human geneticist at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University in New York City who was not involved in the study. �It certainly fits with what we understand about Jewish history.�

You can gain much needed edification here: here.

Here's a desperately needed clue for you: be wary of purported science of those with an agenda; e.g., Kinsley & Hamer.

Remarks from Charles Krauthammer,
syndicated columnist, The Washington Post
To the Anti-Defamation League
On his acceptance of the Hubert H. Humphrey First Amendment Freedoms Prize
ADL Shana Glass National Leadership Conference
April 23, 2006, Washington, D.C.

...So now we return after this period to the normal situation of the last 2,000 years, which is widespread, virulent anti-Semitism.

Now, I think it's best to start with a definition. And Bernard Lewis, in a brilliant lecture he gave on the new anti-Semitism about a year ago, tried to distinguish anti-Semitism from the normal hatred, resentments, disdain of one people for another.

He gave a rather interesting example. He spoke of Denmark, which of course had been occupied by Germany in the Second World War, and Sweden had not behaved, at least in the eyes of the Danes, terribly well. Sweden, as you know, was neutral during the war, profited rather well from the war, so in the post-war era, the Danes had an expression: A Swede was a German in human form. And that he characterized as your normal antipathy of one people for another.

But what makes anti-Semitism different is that it is not this kind of casual, off-handed disdain of one people for another. It's an attribution to the Jewish people, uniquely, of a kind of cosmic evil. That's the phrase that Lewis used, "Cosmic evil," in which Jews are the agent of the corruption of all human activity.

And that is the kind of thing that you see in �The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,� and in a more recent version, in an article on the Lobby with the "L" capitalized, by a pair of rather distinguished professors, about the Jewish lobby in America, and how through deception, manipulation and all kinds of powers, almost supernatural, the Jews have managed to beguile and manipulate the greatest power in the history of the world into serving the interest of Jews over the interest of that great country, namely, the United States.

Or, as Alan Dershowitz put it, "attributing to the Jews the possession of occult powers and participating in secret combinations that manipulate institutions and governments."

That's the core of this kind of cosmic evil attributed to Jews by this new kind of anti-Semitism.
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Why is Zionism and Israel, among all the movements of national liberation in the world, of which Zionism was one, and why is Israel, of all the states on the planet, uniquely attacked and vilified?

The amount of paper spent at the United Nations in attacking Israel from every possible perspective is simply staggering.

Is it because the Jews allegedly took land from others? Is there a nationalism on the planet that has not taken land from others? And unlike the takers of land, who established Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and countless other countries who are not attacked as racist plunderers, the Jews had an extremely powerful claim to the land that they ended up in, namely Israel -- a historical claim. Because unlike all the others, the Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, the Argentineans, they were returning to their land, a land that they had inhabited and been sovereign over for hundreds of years. And having returned, the Jews had then repeatedly offered to divide the land amicably with those who had settled there in their absence

No, it's the idea of the Jew as a historical actor, with a Jewish army, a Jewish state, an independent Jewish presence and voice, which was so offensive and which would help to revive the old anti-Semitism.

Now, it draws on the hatred of ages, but the form and the shape today is of course focused on the new center of Jewish civilization, namely, Israel, and the almost criminal impudence of this expression of Jewish autonomy.

Anti-Semitism today occupies three radiating circles. The first, of course, is in the Islamic world, where there is not even pretence in the anti-Semitic literature of a distinction between Israelis and Jews.

If you look, for example, at the Charter of Hamas, it's all about the Jews. It's all about how they've infiltrated all the institutions on the planet, including the Rotary clubs, in their attempt to take over the world. (An odd way to approach that project, by the way.) The Hamas Charter is a perfect example of a raving anti-Semitic paranoia -- reconstructing �The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.� It shows how completely this kind of Arab and Islamic extremism has absorbed the racial and religious stereotypes of Christian Europe, and in particular the Nazi stereotypes. Today, the Islamic world is the greatest producer of anti-Semitic literature on the planet.

The second circle of anti-Semitism, somewhat diminished, of course, is in Europe. In the first circle, Iran, for example, is openly dedicated to the utter destruction of the Jewish state and the genocide of the Israeli people. In Europe, we're talking about a different order of magnitude, but there is, as all of you know who've worked in this area, an alarming revival of the old anti-Semitism -- the attacks in France, the recent stabbings in Russia, the desecrations of graves - you all know about that.

Which brings us to the third circle, which is the United States. What is happening here? And of course, here, the level and intensity of anti-Semitism pales in comparison. America is a remarkable island of relative tolerance in this rather dismaying sea of resurgent anti-Semitism.
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However, there are disturbing signs even here in the United States. And, again, I refer to this most recent document, the Mearsheimer-Walt document which essentially is accusing the Jews of betraying their country and placing their own sectarian interest above that of the United States.

And you have to ask yourself why this comes out now. People on the extremes have long been saying this.
Indeed, David Duke endorsed the report.
But now it has the imprimatur of a couple of professors, and rather distinguished institutions, which is why it will cause a lot of damage in the future.

And the question is why it happens now. And I think that has to do with the Iraq war. When war is going on, the country is at war, especially when the war is not going well, countries look for scapegoats.

Let me read you something:�"Instead of agitating for war, Jews in this country should be opposing it in every way, for they will be the first to feel its consequences. Their greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government."

That's Charles Lindbergh, Des Moines, Iowa, 1941, the famous speech in which he said there are only three groups trying to get America into war--the Roosevelt Administration, Great Britain and the Jews.

The Lindbergh charge disappeared at Pearl Harbor. The Gulf War charge, and its attendant anti-Semitism, sustained itself until the war, at which point the great and swift success wiped it away...

Now, 50 years later almost to the year, that was repeated by Patrick Buchanan who said, the only people who want to get us into the Gulf War, was the Israeli military and their "amen corner" in America. And we know who says "amen."

And then he went on and he named four Americans -- all Jews. Henry Kissinger was one of them. I was another dragging America into war.

In fact, everyone knew that the people "dragging us into war" were George Herbert Walker Bush, Brent Scowcroft, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney and James Baker.

Hardly enough to establish a minyan in any synagogue in the world.
And, in fact, I don't think any of them would qualify.

Israel is Krauthammer's primary concern.

Someone needs to publish a program for people to follow while they engage in political banter.

You can't understand the agenda if you don't know the players.

Actually, yes. Their Kafir fighter is home grown and the Iron Dome is their design w out money. So what's your point? Who supplies the other side?

The iron dome is nothing but an adaptation of the Patriot missile system,...which was given to Israel by the United States during Desert Storm.

,...and by the way,...as soon as Desert Storm got out of the way, Israel sold the Patriot missile system technology to China.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=40173

Nice, reliable source and irrelevant in any case to the topic at hand, to wit; Israel is kicking ass. And BTW, I am FAR from pro-israel as countless post I've made here. My interest is purely as a professional in the combat arms and I admire good work.

"The Israel Aircraft Industries Kfir is an Israeli-built all-weather, multirole combat aircraft based on a French Dassault Mirage 5 airframe, with Israeli avionics and an Israeli-built version of the General Electric J79 turbojet engine."

sounds like a Jews version of home grown

Google is great, ain't it? At least you capitalized "Jews".. They made it a LOT better than the Mirage. BTW, Marcel D'Assault was a "juden"..

As for the source, pick one.

It's no secret that Israel is in the business of transferring technology to anyplace which can provide a profit margin.

Google, "Israel sells military technology to China" and you can read more than you want to know about it.

As for the topic at hand, I refuted what you had to say about domestically produced armaments in Israel.

Israelis are bright people,...I have no doubt that they could produce whatever they need,...but it's much easier and more cost efficient to just take what is given to them by the members of the U.S. Congress that they own.

A Congressman can be purchased for *far* less than an R&D dept. and a series of production plants to produce what the R&D dept. comes up with.

Israel doesn't need to produce armaments. They can buy whatever they need from the U.S.,...with money that is given to them by the U.S.

,...and when the budget gets tight, they can sell the technology they get from the U.S. to anybody who has the funds to buy it.

,...but, as I've said before,...it's got to play out.

The Devil is in the details.

so you were a signatory to the Hamas charter? Do you at least have your own framed copy?

Why do you go into "stupid" mode when you address me?

I've been giving you the benefit of a doubt.

Most of the time you don't appear to be as stupid as watch4bear,...but you seem to think that it's the preferable tact to take on occasion.

Here's some good advice.

Don't act stupid.

It's not becoming on a man of your years.

Bristoe, I've forgotten more schit about jews and Israel than you realize. I don't trust nor like them and I've said it dozens of times. I've also opined on their use to our national interest and their influence on our politics. On balance, I'll take supporting them over the other side. You and I disagree and I'll leave it at that/

Well,...I'm not privvy to what you've known,..but if you ever knew it, then I "realize" that you have indeed forgotten it.

I'll take your word on that.

The M4 carbine is no longer good enough for the Israelis. They've developed something superior, manufactured in Israel, so they no longer need to spend our tax dollars for second rate US made carbines, while their national bank is one of the most flush with reserves ($77 billion) of any national bank in the world. Nice deal if you can get it. Good thing Americans are such suckers.