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Bush did the 1989 ban on self loading rifles or Bush did the 2005 ban on imported parts. Is an AK not a self loading rifle? Also is it not imported and could be taken apart for parts? Why would Obama ban an item that Bush already Banned? Inquiring minds and all of that. miles The 1989 ban by exectuive order was on military look semi-autos consisting of 100% imported parts. People with no respect for authority figured out they could get around that by having AK/HK/FAL rifles made up with no bayonet lugs or flash hiders and thumbhole stocks they could sneak around Bush's goal and start peddling them to civilians again. Eventually people with even less respect for authority figured out they could use US made parts and get around the thumbhole stock. http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/08/us/import-ban-on-assault-rifles-becomes-permanent.htmlAt some point unscrupulous people figured out they could get surplused machine gun AK/HK/FAL rifles that had the receivers cut up and use those parts with imported spare receivers + a few US made parts to get around the ban also. In 2005 Bush's ATF did and administrative rule change to put an end to that. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461605/postsThe Saiga's were likely being brought in looking like this: Then doing this crap: http://home.comcast.net/~navy87guy/home/saigaconversion.html to make their "sporter" in to a weapon of war that only US police and military should have access to. This was not Obama's move to make. This was Jeb's or another member of the Bush dynasty. At the very least Romney could have been allowed to do it for the Massachusetts connection when he gets in as POTUS 2016, but Obama didn't even have enough class to let that happen.
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Bush did the 1989 ban on self loading rifles or Bush did the 2005 ban on imported parts. Is an AK not a self loading rifle? Also is it not imported and could be taken apart for parts? Why would Obama ban an item that Bush already Banned? Inquiring minds and all of that. miles The 1989 ban by exectuive order was on military look semi-autos consisting of 100% imported parts. People with no respect for authority figured out they could get around that by having AK/HK/FAL rifles made up with no bayonet lugs or flash hiders and thumbhole stocks they could sneak around Bush's goal and start peddling them to civilians again. Eventually people with even less respect for authority figured out they could use US made parts and get around the thumbhole stock. http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/08/us/import-ban-on-assault-rifles-becomes-permanent.htmlAt some point unscrupulous people figured out they could get surplused machine gun AK/HK/FAL rifles that had the receivers cut up and use those parts with imported spare receivers + a few US made parts to get around the ban also. In 2005 Bush's ATF did and administrative rule change to put an end to that. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461605/postsThe Saiga's were likely being brought in looking like this: Then doing this crap: http://home.comcast.net/~navy87guy/home/saigaconversion.html to make their "sporter" in to a weapon of war that only US police and military should have access to. This was not Obama's move to make. This was Jeb's or another member of the Bush dynasty. At the very least Romney could have been allowed to do it for the Massachusetts connection when he gets in as POTUS 2016, but Obama didn't even have enough class to let that happen. You're a great American, Sherp.
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Bush did the 1989 ban on self loading rifles or Bush did the 2005 ban on imported parts. Is an AK not a self loading rifle? Also is it not imported and could be taken apart for parts? Why would Obama ban an item that Bush already Banned? Inquiring minds and all of that. miles The 1989 ban by exectuive order was on military look semi-autos consisting of 100% imported parts. People with no respect for authority figured out they could get around that by having AK/HK/FAL rifles made up with no bayonet lugs or flash hiders and thumbhole stocks they could sneak around Bush's goal and start peddling them to civilians again. Eventually people with even less respect for authority figured out they could use US made parts and get around the thumbhole stock. http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/08/us/import-ban-on-assault-rifles-becomes-permanent.htmlAt some point unscrupulous people figured out they could get surplused machine gun AK/HK/FAL rifles that had the receivers cut up and use those parts with imported spare receivers + a few US made parts to get around the ban also. In 2005 Bush's ATF did and administrative rule change to put an end to that. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461605/postsThe Saiga's were likely being brought in looking like this: Then doing this crap: http://home.comcast.net/~navy87guy/home/saigaconversion.html to make their "sporter" in to a weapon of war that only US police and military should have access to. This was not Obama's move to make. This was Jeb's or another member of the Bush dynasty. At the very least Romney could have been allowed to do it for the Massachusetts connection when he gets in as POTUS 2016, but Obama didn't even have enough class to let that happen. You're a great American, Sherp. I know. I stand for what the Bushes and Romneys stand for along with all of the other conservatives who voted for them. Unlike most of those who voted for them I am not ashamed of what they stand for when relating why others should support them.
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Hey, another thing the Cartels can make money off of...Yipee!
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I am right there with you!! This was a rule only a Bush family member or Republican POTUS with Massachusetts ties should have made. For a Kenyan(unless his real Father was Frank Marshall Davis)/Hawaiian to do it and take the honor from the Bush family or other Massachusettsian shows just how little class he has.
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Sherp, I am still confused. Did Bush ban them and Obama ban them again? Who unbanned them? You did say Bush put a stop to the work arounds in 2005, did you not? miles
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Sherp, I am still confused. Did Bush ban them and Obama ban them again? Who unbanned them? You did say Bush put a stop to the work arounds in 2005, did you not? miles What is confusing about it? Bush I banned the import of 100% imported part semi-auto assault rifles via executive order in 1989. After that, unscrupulous individuals figured out loopholes to get around Bush's via thumbholes stocks and US made parts. Bush II had his ATF ban imported take off barrels and new replacement receivers in 2005 that were being used to make clones of the 1989 banned guns.. This is why you see AK/FAL/HK rifles (US weapons such as Garands and M16 that were given to foreign countries and then reimported when those countries were done with them) advertised by Sportsman's Guide and other vendors. Unscrupulous individuals were importing sporterized variants of Russian AK's to circumvent the Bush I ban on factory built all imported part rifles and Bush II ban on imported barrels/receivers, then converting those sporterized rifles in to clones with US parts that look like the complete rifles banned from import in 1989.
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maybe soon a bakail will be worth 10,000. made in roosha
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What is confusing about it? From your post #9037311- imported spare receivers + a few US made parts to get around the ban also. In 2005 Bush's ATF did and administrative rule change to put an end to that. You say that Bush banned them, then put an end to all of the work arounds. Then Obama bans them again. Why? miles
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What is confusing about it? From your post #9037311- imported spare receivers + a few US made parts to get around the ban also. In 2005 Bush's ATF did and administrative rule change to put an end to that. You say that Bush banned them, then put an end to all of the work arounds. Then Obama bans them again. Why? miles Obama didn't ban them again. He banned the work arounds that came in response to the 2005 ban which was not his ban to make.
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Oh no run out and buy as many as you can at ridiculous prices!!!
Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
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He banned the work arounds OK then, what we had was a misleading title. Obama did not ban sale of new Russian AK rifles, He banned the work around, to the 2005 work around, to a previous law, that Bush signed. Wonder why I was confused? miles
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He banned the work arounds OK then, what we had was a misleading title. Obama did not ban sale of new Russian AK rifles, He banned the work around, to the 2005 work around, to a previous law, that Bush signed. Wonder why I was confused? miles I do not see how anyone could not understand it. The supply of imported assault rifle barrels and receivers dried up within a couple of years after 2005 and the parts kits sans imported receivers and sans imported barrels have been openly sold that way ever since. Companies didn't scrap the barrels/receivers because they wanted to.
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Here we go again. Did Obama ban rifles or parts kits? miles
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Here we go again. Did Obama ban rifles or parts kits? miles Tell you what miles, instead of me giving you the CliffNotes version over and over, why don't you go read the link on converting Saiga rifles from sporter to weapon of war and you can see exactly what Obama banned since you seem to have not done that. I suspect you already know what the deal is and are just playing dumb since you aren't proud of the Bush family achievements for some reason.
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I suspect you already know what the deal is and are just playing dumb I am. I also am trying to point out how a lot of times on here people try to mislead exactly what is happening. I am against banning most everything except drugs, most abortions, and being bad to kids. Before I get jumped on, there are some valid medical reasons for abortion, but just not wanting the kid is not one of them. I just wanted it to be clear what Obama banned and what Bush banned. I am dead set against Obama and think mostly "W" did a good job. He was handed a schit sandwich soon after he got into office and tried to do what he thought was right. Some of it was not, but I don't think he did it to hurt the country. Some people, even some good people, do not get the whole gun thing due to their raising, but they can be educated. Some will never get it. miles.
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I suspect you already know what the deal is and are just playing dumb I am. I also am trying to point out how a lot of times on here people try to mislead exactly what is happening. I am against banning most everything except drugs, most abortions, and being bad to kids. Before I get jumped on, there are some valid medical reasons for abortion, but just not wanting the kid is not one of them. I just wanted it to be clear what Obama banned and what Bush banned. I am dead set against Obama and think mostly "W" did a good job. He was handed a schit sandwich soon after he got into office and tried to do what he thought was right. Some of it was not, but I don't think he did it to hurt the country. Some people, even some good people, do not get the whole gun thing due to their raising, but they can be educated. Some will never get it. miles. Oh ok. I am right there with you in supporting both the Bush I & II gun bans. My only gripe with this ban on Russaan stuff is that Obama did it. Like you, once the next republican gets in office and keeps it on the books I won't call it bad either. I had a raising just like you did and also think only police and military should have guns like that.
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