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Off-hand groups at 5-10yds and seat of the pants impressions aren't really going to tell you anything meaningful. What you need is bench testing or a Ransom Rest at 25yds with a variety of loads.

I can't tell the difference between any of them.



Travis

So it's a bit over the top to suggest the anecdotal evidence is meaningless.

It's over the top to pretend that off hand groups at shorter distances have any real value if you REALLY want to talk about accuracy. If all you care about is seat of the pants feel, then it is quite sufficient. If you want to REALLY talk about REAL numbers, bench or Ransom rest shooting at a pre-determined, standardized distance is the only way to procure them. Anything else is just speculation based on "feel". One can certainly "feel" that their Glock is more accurate than their USP, all the while the HK retains a 20% raw accuracy potential advantage. I don't care about feelings and feelings have no bearing on accuracy. A good bench rest technique or the Ransom Rest remove all feelings, speculation, excuses, fanboyism and bullshit.

What is really at work here is that nobody tests these guns from a bench or Ransom Rest. Few do much more than shoot them at short distances at the local indoor range so nobody really knows or cares about how accurate they really are.

You punks better watch it. He wears a pirate belt.

If a guy and a gun can produce sub 2" groups off hand at 15 yards, it's likely that either or both is capable of even better bench rest groups. So it's a bit over the top to suggest the anecdotal evidence is meaningless. I agree, that a sampling of the top brands of guns and ammo coupled with a ransom rest would be more meaningful. Still, starting in the 80s or thereabout, the vast majority of gun writers quit shooting "defensive" guns at 25 yards, either because they themselves, or the guns weren't up to the challenge. It's about the time when the "defensive accuracy" terminology started getting bandied about. My personal requirement has nothing to do with bench rested groups. If my defensive pistol can't keep every shot in the head of a target at 25 yards, off hand, "IT" isn't up to the challenge.

If you want to REALLY talk about REAL numbers, bench or Ransom rest shooting at a pre-determined, standardized distance is the only way to procure them. Anything else is just speculation based on "feel". .... I don't care about feelings and feelings have no bearing on accuracy. A good bench rest technique or the Ransom Rest remove all feelings,

Ramson results can tell you how accurately a pistol can be shot from a Ransom rest but do not tell you how well a pistol can be shot by a person.

But on the other hand, a gun in the hand of a human won't shoot better than it does from a Ransom either; feel is essential for confidence as well good shooting, but it can't make a poor shooting gun, i.e., a gun that shoots poorly from a Ransom, shoot any better.

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MM

Ran lots of 1911's, Hi-Standard & S&W 22's through a Ransom........assuming the rest is not moving on the table, I've never adjusted the POI between shots.