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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
What is it that everyone has against Israel? Why the hate from here in the US?


There always has been an underlying contempt for Jews. With the ongoing conflict it now comes to the surface. Only a minority vocal group harbors this hatred.
We are told to be tolerant of other cultures and religion - I guess the Jews don't count.


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What would it be without the missile defense systems in place?
I think the intercept rate is like 20%. What is the death toll with the missile defense?


Your level of knowledge is stunningly embarrassing. The Israeli intercept rate is 90%, you idiot. The other 10% are rockets they know the trajectory will go into unpopulated areas so they let it go.
You've got to upgrade your Hamas twitter account cause your propaganda is desperately weak!
You can cook the books how you like. My question related to the death toll. Someone offered as a defense to that low figure the fact that there's a missile defense, implying that the death toll would be much higher otherwise. My point stands, since about eighty percent of the missiles are not intercepted, yet the death toll is still countable on the fingers of one hand. The point being the retaliation is amazingly out of proportion. Nice diversion, though.

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There will never be peace in Israel as long as Hamas is allowed to occupy the Gaza Strip. Hamas and their ilk doesn't value life and you cannot deal with that other than killing them. Their vision of "peaceful coexistence" is killing you first!
There are some Americans who cannot grasp that concept.
Your perspective is strikingly one-sided. But all you've heard all your life has fostered that. That's the price we pay when we allow a single minority ethnic group with dual citizenship to provide us with 99% of our information relative to the activities of the nation to which they owe their first loyalty.

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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
What is it that everyone has against Israel? Why the hate from here in the US?


Why the love for Israel?

Notice I didn't ask why the hate for Hamas... Cuz I get that; they're killers of the innocent.

Why the love for one nation who used the UN cynically and which kills innocents over another?

They both suck and are undeserving of ANY support from ANYONE.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
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Originally Posted by Vic_in_Va
What would it be without the missile defense systems in place?
I think the intercept rate is like 20%. What is the death toll with the missile defense?


Your level of knowledge is stunningly embarrassing. The Israeli intercept rate is 90%, you idiot. The other 10% are rockets they know the trajectory will go into unpopulated areas so they let it go.
You've got to upgrade your Hamas twitter account cause your propaganda is desperately weak!
You can cook the books how you like. My question related to the death toll. Someone offered as a defense to that low figure the fact that there's a missile defense, implying that the death toll would be much higher otherwise. My point stands, since about eighty percent of the missiles are not intercepted, yet the death toll is still countable on the fingers of one hand. The point being the retaliation is amazingly out of proportion. Nice diversion, though.


Oh I didn't know there had to be a 1:1 ratio is deaths. Israel hoped the Iron dome and world pressure would be enough to convince Hamas from firing rockets with intent to kill as many as possible. Yet the tunnel network was a seemingly endless supply of ordnance. The last think they wanted to do was to invade but that is the only way to knockout and disrupt the supply line of missiles.

The Iron Dome has about 15 seconds to recognize the missile track and make a determination whether to fire. The accounts are that 85% - 90% of the rockets are successful in their intercept. That is $60K a rocket.

The retaliation exists because Hamas rejected Fridays peace offering by firing more missiles. Do you understand that?
Western news agencies have filmed the "knock on the roof" scenario where IDF lands an inert missile on the roof to tell the occupants they must leave immediately.
Within a few minutes the building is hit.
Israelis have PHONED and TEXTED occupants to leave also.

The death toll is out of proportion because one side has a protective shield and the other is just firing rockets from schools, mosques and high density locations.

One side values life and the other uses death as a propaganda tool for the world and idiots on the 24HCF.

Keep reporting on your Gaza based twitter updates. Its a unique perspective.



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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
He got it exactly right.

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I noticed you're from Oregon so I thought I'd explain it for you.
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Yeah, great, thanks man. Could you talk slower please, I need to catch my breath.


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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
One side values life and the other uses death as a propaganda tool for the world and idiots on the 24HCF.
What could have driven the Palestinian people to such a state of desperation as to so disregard their own lives?


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
There will never be peace in Israel as long as Hamas is allowed to occupy the Gaza Strip. Hamas and their ilk doesn't value life and you cannot deal with that other than killing them. Their vision of "peaceful coexistence" is killing you first!
There are some Americans who cannot grasp that concept.
Your perspective is strikingly one-sided. But all you've heard all your life has fostered that. That's the price we pay when we allow a single minority ethnic group with dual citizenship to provide us with 99% of our information relative to the activities of the nation to which they owe their first loyalty.


Oh you have it wrong. What you are incapable of understanding is that there are people who do not care if they live or die, as long as they bring death to their enemies. I truly value diversity - if you want to call it that. I value healthy freedom loving people on one hand and dead rotting terrorists on the other.

Why don't you just MAN UP and say what you feel: you want Israel, its people and country to cease to exist. Just say it - you'll sleep better.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
One side values life and the other uses death as a propaganda tool for the world and idiots on the 24HCF.
What could have driven the Palestinian people to such a state of desperation as to so disregard their own lives?


As long as the Palestinians fail to root out the terrorists from their country they will pawns for their cause. As long as Hamas controls the politics, they will use whatever means at their disposal to win international sympathy.

Who do yo think values the Palestinian people more, Hamas or the Israeli's?



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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
Why don't you just MAN UP and say what you feel: you want Israel, its people and country to cease to exist. Just say it - you'll sleep better.
I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.

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Well there, that is pretty close. I can leave you and Brother Nathanael Kapner to commiserate on your next move. Do you have a similar black outfit like your phony "brother" has?
I checked on Amazon for the latest in Greek Orthodox garb but didn't see anything.

At least I know where you stand and can quit wasting anymore time.

Keep updating us on the latest talking points from Gaza, they save me from having to look on the Daily Kos.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.


God's chosen people you're talking about.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Why don't you just MAN UP and say what you feel: you want Israel, its people and country to cease to exist. Just say it - you'll sleep better.
I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.

Tagged before TRH reaches a level of sobriety and alters this embarrassing post.


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TRH you speak of the Lords return.You realize that the Muslims take up arms to battle against him.Muslims reject him.You are right that Messiah will correct things and your side loses.Why do you kick against the pricks.


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.


God's chosen people you're talking about.
You are speaking against the words of Christ and the Apostles when you say that. Jesus called the Jews who denied him sons of the Devil and antichrist. Paul said that true sons of Abraham (the chosen people) are that based on their belief, not based on their birth, and that those who had claimed that status by birth were cut off. Jesus said that God could raise up physical sons for Abraham from the stones scattered about, i.e., it's as nothing to be physically descended from Abraham.

Open your New Testament and stick your nose in it for a few hours so you can stop blaspheming. And make sure it's not a Scofield Reference Bible, which is likely where you got that nonsense to start with.

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The self chosenites...another Jewish scam.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
He got it exactly right.


The fact that you and Ghost are both fans of Milt Kapner, AKA Brother Nathaniel, is persuasive evidence that it IS possible for two men to have their heads up the other's ass.

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.


God's chosen people you're talking about.


Huh? Where did he say anything about the Church?

I think you've got your peoples confused...

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