Agreed. I never have understood the hate for Israel.
Within the Middle east, it's easy to understand. Just look at how Israel deflated the Arab egos in '67 and '73. After those defeats, the Arab psyche has never been the same.
Within America, most of it comes from the anti-establishment quarter. As a Judeo-Christian nation, Christians and Jews are considered the "establishment". As a result both sides of the anti-establishment folks from the radical 1960's pot smoking hippies and Bristo can come together in their hatred for Israel.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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some must die so other can live . Muslims have no regards for women and children , they are cowards and hide behind their women and children. If Israel has to kill a few civilians to protect their people so be it. If everyone followed your reasoning we all would be speaking German today.
Learning history might help you.
Read "Freedom Betrayed". That way you'll know how and why we were duped in to WWII.
Hitler had no desire to conquer the world. No one has yet proved he was so motivated. Stalin, on the other hand, who had made FDR his lackey and for whom FDR ordered "D"-Day, told the world that his intention was to make it communist under the direction of Moscow.
Hitler lost the war with Operation Barbarossa, which was 6 months before FDR duped us in to the war. Apparently Hitler was not a student of history. Napoleon tried to defeat Russia's harsh winter with the result being total defeat. You can't screw with Mother Nature and expect success. Even were Hitler so inclined, he didn't even have a prayer of invading let alone whipping the USA. Hitler was a moron, his stupidity exceeded only by certain Ally leaders.
Hitler had been sinking our merchant ships for quite a while before we decided to enter the war. He had plans invade the US.
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"... the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy."
That Stormfront chit smell is very strong on this one.
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Wonder what them Stormfront people have to say about the illegals from Mexico?
Wonderin' WTF you are trying to say here,....incoherency does not become you.
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I'm saying stones and glass houses.
There's NO parallel,....hence a continued call out of incoherency.
If anything the 2 situations are diametrically OPPOSED.
Do a little honest comparation, B.
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Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
"... the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy."
- Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope
That's why Carroll Quigley is one of Bill Clinton's favorite mentors.
...that's a pretty twitchy / squirmy (LAME) response.
what "Association ?" did I make, pray tell ?
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Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
Agreed. I never have understood the hate for Israel.
Within the Middle east, it's easy to understand. Just look at how Israel deflated the Arab egos in '67 and '73. After those defeats, the Arab psyche has never been the same.
Within America, most of it comes from the anti-establishment quarter. As a Judeo-Christian nation, Christians and Jews are considered the "establishment". As a result both sides of the anti-establishment folks from the radical 1960's pot smoking hippies and Bristo can come together in their hatred for Israel.
Don't forget that the land that is now Israel was a craphole of a wasteland until the Jews turned it in to what it is today.
Me, well, I've seen been to Egypt, Israel, Oman Quatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and Jordan.
I'll take Israel over the others any day of the week that ends in Y.
A small tiny dose of reality: Apologists for Hamas attribute the blood lust to the Israeli occupation and blockade.
Occupation? Does no one remember anything?
It was less than 10 years ago that worldwide television showed the Israeli army pulling die-hard settlers off synagogue roofs in Gaza as Israel uprooted its settlements, expelled its citizens, withdrew its military and turned every inch of Gaza over to the Palestinians. There was not a soldier, not a settler, not a single Israeli left in Gaza.
And there was no blockade. On the contrary. Israel wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help the Gaza economy, Israel gave the Palestinians its 3,000 greenhouses that had produced fruit and flowers for export. It opened border crossings and encouraged commerce.
The whole idea was to establish the model for two states living peacefully and productively side by side. No one seems to remember that, simultaneous with the Gaza withdrawal, Israel dismantled four smaller settlements in the northern West Bank as a clear signal of Israel�s desire to leave the West Bank as well and thus achieve an amicable two-state solution.
This is not ancient history. This was nine years ago.
And how did the Gaza Palestinians react to being granted by the Israelis what no previous ruler, neither Egyptian, nor British, nor Turkish, had ever given them � an independent territory?
First, they demolished the greenhouses. Then they elected Hamas.
Then, instead of building a state with its attendant political and economic institutions, they spent the better part of a decade turning Gaza into a massive military base, brimming with terror weapons, to make ceaseless war on Israel.
Where are the roads and rail, the industry and infrastructure of the new Palestinian state? Nowhere. Instead, they built mile upon mile of underground tunnels to hide their weapons and, when the going gets tough, their military commanders. They spent millions importing and producing rockets, launchers, mortars, small arms, even drones.
They deliberately placed them in schools, hospitals, mosques and private homes to better expose their own civilians. (Just Thursday, the U.N. announced that it found 20 rockets in a Gaza school.) And from which they fire rockets at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. Charles Krauthammer
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“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
A small tiny dose of reality: Apologists for Hamas attribute the blood lust to the Israeli occupation and blockade.
Occupation? Does no one remember anything?
It was less than 10 years ago that worldwide television showed the Israeli army pulling die-hard settlers off synagogue roofs in Gaza as Israel uprooted its settlements, expelled its citizens, withdrew its military and turned every inch of Gaza over to the Palestinians. There was not a soldier, not a settler, not a single Israeli left in Gaza.
And there was no blockade. On the contrary. Israel wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help the Gaza economy, Israel gave the Palestinians its 3,000 greenhouses that had produced fruit and flowers for export. It opened border crossings and encouraged commerce.
The whole idea was to establish the model for two states living peacefully and productively side by side. No one seems to remember that, simultaneous with the Gaza withdrawal, Israel dismantled four smaller settlements in the northern West Bank as a clear signal of Israel�s desire to leave the West Bank as well and thus achieve an amicable two-state solution.
This is not ancient history. This was nine years ago.
And how did the Gaza Palestinians react to being granted by the Israelis what no previous ruler, neither Egyptian, nor British, nor Turkish, had ever given them � an independent territory?
First, they demolished the greenhouses. Then they elected Hamas.
Then, instead of building a state with its attendant political and economic institutions, they spent the better part of a decade turning Gaza into a massive military base, brimming with terror weapons, to make ceaseless war on Israel.
Where are the roads and rail, the industry and infrastructure of the new Palestinian state? Nowhere. Instead, they built mile upon mile of underground tunnels to hide their weapons and, when the going gets tough, their military commanders. They spent millions importing and producing rockets, launchers, mortars, small arms, even drones.
They deliberately placed them in schools, hospitals, mosques and private homes to better expose their own civilians. (Just Thursday, the U.N. announced that it found 20 rockets in a Gaza school.) And from which they fire rockets at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. Charles Krauthammer
Oh, c'mon. Quit interjecting actual events and facts into a lovely emotional/religious argument......
But, yeah, it would be interesting to here the "haters" explain exactly WHY Israel should try what they already tried and what has already failed miserably?
Sort of a different issue, but full disclosure compels me to bring it up.
Seems like up here in NY State the Hasidic (Ultra-Orthodox) Jews are considered a bane by many, for practical reasons. Case in point; the village of Bloomberg NY in Orange County where some of my immediate kin live.
Maybe six years back a Hasidic group bought 500 acres from a local for a few million dollars, defaulted on the mortgage payments and then declared bankruptcy before the previous owner could foreclose. The latest proposal from this group in this carefully-zoned region is an application to build 550 housing units for a Hasidic community on this property (worth noting that a few years back the residents of this county just an hour's drive from NYC voted in an protective ordinance requiring six acres per new housing unit).
I am told that as a group the Hasidic Jews here are notorious for paying no taxes and drawing on public assistance while ruthlessly impinging upon the water resources of their neighbors. They do apparently work the legal system very well.
Its bad enough that the Village of Bloomberg is now looking to dissolve itself as a separate entity so as to merge with a larger, neighboring township which has deeper legal pockets.
Worth noting that this isn't properly a "Jewish" issue per se, the regular Jewish folks in the area are outraged and alarmed too.
But, if'n it were Shiite Moslems or similar doing this it would be all over the papers.
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