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Sorry, But There Can't Be 'Peace In The Middle East'
By LARRY ELDER Posted 07/24/2014 06:06 PM ET
Secretary of State John Kerry is the latest to think the power of his personal diplomacy can bring "peace to the Middle East." But, once again, when one side publicly calls for the destruction of the other, what is there to discuss?
Hamas, designated a foreign terrorist organization by the U.S., has governed the Palestinian territory of Gaza since they defeated rival Fatah, the group that governs the West Bank.
Hamas, along with Hezbollah, Palestine Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command , Iraqi militant Shiite groups and other terror organizations, is funded in part by Iran, whose leaders routinely call for the destruction of the "fictitious" state of Israel.
Hamas' covenant calls for the destruction of Israel. The preamble reads: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
Article 3 describes the duty of all Muslims: "Fear Allah and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors."
Article 7 states: "The day of judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me; come and kill him.'"
Article 11 clarifies their belief that "the land of Palestine is an Islamic waif (holy possession) consecrated for future Muslim generations until judgment day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it."
Article 13 flatly states: "Palestine is an Islamic land. ... Since this is the case, the liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Muslim wherever he may be."
It also says, "There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by jihad."
Goal: Destroy Israel
Any doubt about how committed Hamas is to Israel's destruction?
In 2006, a mother of six sons successfully ran for parliament in Gaza under the Hamas party, billed as the "mother of the struggle."
Three of Mariam Farahat's sons died in the so-called intifada, or resistance against Israel. How pained is she over the loss of her sons?
A Hamas recruitment video features Farahat showing her 17-year- old son how to kill Israelis and telling him not to come back. Mission accomplished. In 2002, that son murdered five Jewish students.
Another son was killed when the Israeli air force blew up his vehicle, which was carrying Qassam rockets. Farahat celebrated his death: "I am so proud. I wish I had more sons to offer."
How far Israel is willing to go for peace was demonstrated in 2000. During the waning months of the Clinton administration, the president sought to finally achieve "peace in the Middle East."
The prime minister of Israel, Ehud Barak, was perhaps the most dovish PM in the history of Israel.
Bill Clinton, through his envoy Dennis Ross, pushed the two sides into what even cynical observers called a crucial breakthrough.
Barak offered the following: Israel would withdraw completely from Gaza, surrender almost all of the West Bank and give the Palestinians most of Arab East Jerusalem, which would be their new capital.
Concessions Forever
Israel agreed to dismantle Jewish settlements to achieve those objectives and would let a certain number of Palestinians "return" to Israel, with additional compensation for Palestinians not allowed to return.
In exchange, Yasser Arafat, the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, had to do one thing � renounce violence against Israel and accept its right to exist as a Jewish state.
Arafat walked away and thus began the second intifada, a burst of violence that left over 1,000 Israelis dead by 2005.
The late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir famously said, "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." How deep is the hate?
In 1986, Nizar al-Hindawi, a Jordanian, and his pregnant Irish- Catholic girlfriend made arrangements for marriage. They discussed plans for an immediate flight from London's Heathrow Airport to Tel Aviv, Israel, followed by a trip to Jordan for the marriage ceremony and a honeymoon.
But Hindawi booked a separate flight for his pregnant fiancee, explaining to her that � oops! � his employer had already paid for him to travel to Israel on a later flight. He bought her a ticket to Israel on El Al, giving her a wheeled suitcase to use.
An alert Heathrow Airport El Al screening agent, suspicious of an unmarried, visibly pregnant Irish woman traveling alone to Israel for a vacation during Passover, ordered her luggage searched.
Security discovered a false bottom in the suitcase � clearly unknown to the pregnant girl � underneath which lay 3-1/2 pounds of the same type of plastic explosive later used to blow up a Pan Am plane over Lockerbie, Scotland.
Prime Minister Meir also said this: "When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons."
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
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TRH and a couple of his bum-buddies will be along to explain why your post is not just wrong, but libellous, and anti-God or something like that.
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Peace and middle east, never going to happen. As long as more than 1 human exists in the ME, there will be war.
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Short answer to the OP title........never.
"If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go wherever they went." -Will Rogers
"If you have a lot of self control you don't need a lot of government control" - Thomas Sowell
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War is hell. Unfortunately love always loses to hate. Making evil people room temperature is the duty of the righteous.
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Right after World War Three (the holy war) when all Muslims are eliminated!
Talk is cheap - except when Congress does it.
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Peace and middle east, never going to happen. As long as more than 1 human exists in the ME, there will be war.
I think you are on to something here.
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Right after World War Three (the holy war) when all Muslims are eliminated! Umm...really, you want that?
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for all I know, somebody over there is trying to establish the Fourth Reich, the Return of the Caliphate, or the re-building of the Temple.
surely, its one of those things, or something similar?
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On the other hand most of them could just be trying to survive in a [bleep] full of religious nuts.
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Israel doesn't want peace - they want full control.
That is never going to happen when you oppress a people.
Of all the people to understand that, it should be the Jews first and foremost.
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
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Israel has had all the control they could possibly want and haven't used it...time for the Palestinians to take control of their own Governing bodies and be serious about peace.
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Looks like the world does not want peace in the Middle East. What is needed, is for every one to butt out, and let the Pals and the Jews just go at it. Kinda like a steel cage match.
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If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice.
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This holy war has been going on long before Christ's time and will continue until either Christians or Muslims are eliminated.
The trouble with western cultures is that they don't recognize this as a holy war and keep trying political answers that won't work.
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Looks like the world does not want peace in the Middle East. What is needed, is for every one to butt out, and let the Pals and the Jews just go at it. Kinda like a steel cage match. We should have done that prior to WWII.
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Israel has had all the control they could possibly want and haven't used it...time for the Palestinians to take control of their own Governing bodies and be serious about peace.
you don't get peace thru military action. Something rings hollow about the only nuclear power in the region saying that if they don't fight they will be wiped out.
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
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This holy war has been going on long before Christ's time and will continue until either Christians or Muslims are eliminated.
The trouble with western cultures is that they don't recognize this as a holy war and keep trying political answers that won't work. The Western Governments do understand, but try to maintain the status quo as the moment the Jews wipe the Palestinians out the rest of the Islamic world will rally and attack. And the moment the Jews are attacked in force and have nowhere to go they will go nuclear. And then it is all over red rover.
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After seven of the worst, tumultuous years imaginable, there will be a 1000 years of peace. Of course by the end of those seven years of great tribulation, the Muslims will figure out Muhammad was a crazy false prophet, and the Jews will figure out that Jesus of Nazareth really was and is the promised Jewish Messiah.
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Israel has had all the control they could possibly want and haven't used it...time for the Palestinians to take control of their own Governing bodies and be serious about peace.
you don't get peace thru military action. Something rings hollow about the only nuclear power in the region saying that if they don't fight they will be wiped out. I understand that the Pakie bastards have nuclear weapons...and I am betting that oil dollars have purchased a few as well. We don't really get told everything.
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