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Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard gunner500 #9109577 08/19/14
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setch Campfire Regular Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,414 Dutch Hill	I'd be careful about buying a MkV and trying to flip it for a few extra. I've had 2 Mk Vs and struggled to sell them for what I I should have been able to get for them. I eventually made a few dollars on them, but at that point it became more about unloading the gun and getting my original investment back. Admittedly, the caliber will play into the resale and as you are looking at a 300 bee, you may have better luck than I did. If you buy the MkV to flip it, do your homework first. Last edited by setch; 08/19/14.

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Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard setch #9109596 08/19/14
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moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,929 PA	I'd buy the Mark V and keep it. I only wish I could find a Mark V for that money. If it was in .257 I'd be downright jealous.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9109624 08/19/14
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SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,645 Likes: 1 Midwest	Originally Posted by Steelhead Vanguard without a question. Yep, pretty much my sentiment too. For me though, no matter how good the deal, it means I'll be dropping another 600 smackers to to get into a quality, ergo-friendly, non-Weatherby-synthetic stock. WWP53D

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard cotis #9109813 08/19/14
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smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,082 Likes: 5 Colorado	Originally Posted by cotis Originally Posted by smokepole Nine lugs is a "solution" in search of a problem. the "problem" is a 90 degree bolt throw, nine lugs being the proper solution. Yeah, it's caught on like wildfire, I hear Remington, Winchester, and Ruger are not far behind. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109852 08/19/14
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hillbillybear Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 27,692 Western NC	I'd take the Vanguard. Member: Clan of the Turdlike People. Courage is Fear that has said its Prayers �If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.� Ronald Reagan.

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Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109896 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by cotis Originally Posted by smokepole Nine lugs is a "solution" in search of a problem. the "problem" is a 90 degree bolt throw, nine lugs being the proper solution. Yeah, it's caught on like wildfire, I hear Remington, Winchester, and Ruger are not far behind. Remington can't even build a quality 2 lug gun, You can't investment cast a Weatherby action and Winchester won't deviate from the upside down Feeding CRF's...3 lug actions or modified 3X lug actions like the Weatherby are more popular then ever.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard hillbillybear #9109901 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by hillbillybear I'd take the Vanguard. Ihave a few of each in my gunsafe, in a fire sale the vanguards would be the first out the door

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard setch #9109905 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by setch I'd be careful about buying a MkV and trying to flip it for a few extra. I've had 2 Mk Vs and struggled to sell them for what I I should have been able to get for them. I eventually made a few dollars on them, but at that point it became more about unloading the gun and getting my original investment back. Admittedly, the caliber will play into the resale and as you are looking at a 300 bee, you may have better luck than I did. If you buy the MkV to flip it, do your homework first. Never ever had a problem flipping a Mark V and if I ran across a 500 dollar Mark V it would not even be a question of it or a vanguard.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9109926 08/19/14
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smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,082 Likes: 5 Colorado	Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. 3-lug actions more popular than ever? What, did they capture 2% of the market now? Name a custom rifle builder who uses them. Last edited by smokepole; 08/19/14. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109930 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by smokepole Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. You know what I mean they are stuck with 2 lug bolts and won't spend money designing anything new except euro trash shotguns

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Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109933 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by smokepole Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. 3-lug actions more popular than ever? What, did they capture 2% of the market now? Name a custom rifle builder who uses them. RUger American ...case closed

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9109950 08/19/14
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smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,082 Likes: 5 Colorado	Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by smokepole Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. 3-lug actions more popular than ever? What, did they capture 2% of the market now? Name a custom rifle builder who uses them. RUger American ...case closed Re-open the case counselor, I said "custom rifle builder." Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9110007 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by smokepole Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. 3-lug actions more popular than ever? What, did they capture 2% of the market now? Name a custom rifle builder who uses them. RUger American ...case closed Re-open the case counselor, I said "custom rifle builder." Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? Cooper,Sako,Weatherby and a few others thrown in are all 3 lug. I don't give a [bleep] about custom rifle builders, none of them use their own actions so it is a moot point. Yes I can mount 50mm-56mm scopes in low rings on a Tikka, Sako or Weatherby whitetail deer rifle but I have to use medium or high rings on a Remington,Ruger or Winchester. I know since you live out West it is not a problem since the most you use is a 40. .

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110013 08/19/14
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,856 Likes: 3	What does the front end of the scope have to do with it?

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110015 08/19/14
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smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,082 Likes: 5 Colorado	Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter I don't give a [bleep] about custom rifle builders, none of them use their own actions...... Wrong again. But keep going, you're batting a thousand. The reason I mentioned custom rifle builders is, they have their pick and can use any action they want, including their own. They also need to turn out an accurate, high-quality product or they go out of business. Telling that they all use 2 lugs and sell their rifles for top dollar. Last edited by smokepole; 08/19/14. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110053 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by mathman What does the front end of the scope have to do with it? ring height? The ocular on most EUro rifles is larger as well.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9110055 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter I don't give a [bleep] about custom rifle builders, none of them use their own actions...... Wrong again. But keep going, you're batting a thousand. 10000 Ruger Americans will be sold for every custom rifle ...

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110059 08/19/14
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,856 Likes: 3	But you're talking about clearance from the bolt handle, right?

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110061 08/19/14
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by mathman But you're talking about clearance from the bolt handle, right? ring height? The ocular on most EUro scopes is larger as well. Last edited by Oldelkhunter; 08/19/14. Reason: scopes not rifles

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110066 08/19/14
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,856 Likes: 3	Which has nothing to do with the objective.

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