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It gets me jumping up and down mad to soft peddle this crap just to keep the oil sheiks happy.

Cut the freaking cord, then strangle someone with it, for Pete's sake.

"personal vendetta" what bullshit. I am in complete agreement we went into Iraq and indeed after 9/11 piecemal and not with the 'Total war' mindset of WWII. In my opinion what Bush should have done and at the time he had the backing of the entire political spectrum (save for a few kooks):

1. Formally declare war on the floor of the combined Houses
2. Put the country on a war footing, raise the possibility of a draft, war bonds, the works.
3. Gone into Iraq with the correct number of troops for an inavsing/occuping force.
4. Punish mercilessly any nation state supporting same.

And yes before anyone starts it, the intelligence was WRONG. Wont' be the first or last time, but to suggest the war as a personal vendetta is well, stupid.

We've been dealing with it over there for decades and it hasn't made one damn difference. And you laugh at the people suggesting we kill every raghead in the world - you think selectively fighting these people in a battle of attrition is going to work? They are a hydra - for every one we kill, they become a martyr and two more take their place. Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab, Hamas, Hezbollah, Isis - not to mention all the pockets spread throughout [bleep] in the world.

The saddest part here is Hagel gets up there and talks about how we haven't seen anything like Isis yet, and the western countries virtually say an attack at home is imminent yet our focus is on stopping some ragheads running around in the back of Toyota pickup trucks and surplus humvees on the other side of the world.

We played a big part in destablizing that part of the world and creating an environment for these groups to thrive. Now we're supposed to go in there with massive amounts of weaponry, money and have American soldiers die because we have a stupid foreign policy. If you really want to make Americans safe - focus your efforts on the 50 states. We can't stop 14 year old kids from entering this country, much less a raghead with an RPG.

Where is this Islamic State located?

Do you know how to read a map?

Where's it's capital?

Capital is Ar-Raqqah, Syria. Located about 25 miles east of Tabqa Dam the largest dam in Syria.
Where is that? Look at your freaking map.

As far as ending terrorism that will never happen. Eliminating ISIS merely means a whole new organization. Then what? The crusaders tried eliminating Muslims at couldn't do it and I doubt we can do it.

Then what if we do not eliminate ISIS? Their starting goal is control of the whole region and all of its oil. That would be their base to take on the rest of the Infidel World.

And then there's the blow back. How do we deal with the blow back and there will be blow back. For every action there is a re-action.

What would be the blow back if that were to happen? Think back on how dangerous would Saddam Hussein be today if he had been allowed to keep Kuwait. You can't possibly think he would have stopped there.

I repeat: �History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.� Reagan

"personal vendetta" what bullshit. I am in complete agreement we went into Iraq and indeed after 9/11 piecemal and not with the 'Total war' mindset of WWII. In my opinion what Bush should have done and at the time he had the backing of the entire political spectrum (save for a few kooks):

1. Formally declare war on the floor of the combined Houses
2. Put the country on a war footing, raise the possibility of a draft, war bonds, the works.
3. Gone into Iraq with the correct number of troops for an inavsing/occuping force.
4. Punish mercilessly any nation state supporting same.

And yes before anyone starts it, the intelligence was WRONG. Wont' be the first or last time, but to suggest the war as a personal vendetta is well, stupid.

So, we will eventually have to start fighting them here.

It will take fighting them here before the majority of Americans accept that they need to be fought.

It will take fighting them here before the majority of Americans accept that they need to be fought.

And when we do wake up??? What then??? International laws regarding religious practices & what's acceptable?

It will take fighting them here before the majority of Americans accept that they need to be fought.

The "caring" part is obvious and mutual. Aside from the usual suspects, virtually everyone was in agreement based on the intel at hand from multiple sources, the WMDs were an issue. There was no reason, fiscal or otherwise to "create a narrative" justifying a war with no end game or benefits. The WMD issue was the factor and not the threat on his father. He had the overwhelming support of the Congress and the public. Did they screw it up? absolutely, but your premise the SOLE reason for Iraq was a vendetta, my original posit stands.

And, yet, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The Saudis, however, did.

Why do you not support oil?




(I sherped you, and I apologize)