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http://leagueofthesouth.com/independence-the-souths-only-option/#comment-2237Long ago, Rev. Robert Lewis Dabney, a Presbyterian divine and Confederate officer on Stonewall Jackson�s staff, wrote this of American (i.e. yankee) Conservatism: �[American Conservativism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism � American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition � Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom � The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it �in wind,� and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy from having nothing to whip.� The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. It is broken and beyond reform. Neither place trust in the GOP or Democrat establishments. Both are corrupt and self serving. __________________________________________ Mike Hill in his insistence that DC is corrupt beyond reform and hopeless is near about the only sensible thing I have heard espoused politically in the last seven years when I first stumbled upon the LOS
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The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. It is broken and beyond reform. Neither place trust in the GOP or Democrat establishments. Both are corrupt and self serving. While this is true, it is also a fact that we are stuck with it for the time being. Every man should be striving to improve our government. It will not be all at once and will seem to take forever, if it can be done at all. miles
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http://leagueofthesouth.com/independence-the-souths-only-option/#comment-2237Long ago, Rev. Robert Lewis Dabney, a Presbyterian divine and Confederate officer on Stonewall Jackson�s staff, wrote this of American (i.e. yankee) Conservatism: �[American Conservativism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism � American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition � Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom � The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it �in wind,� and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy from having nothing to whip.� The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. It is broken and beyond reform. Neither place trust in the GOP or Democrat establishments. Both are corrupt and self serving. __________________________________________ Mike Hill in his insistence that DC is corrupt beyond reform and hopeless is near about the only sensible thing I have heard espoused politically in the last seven years when I first stumbled upon the LOS There's much truth in what he says, I'm afraid.
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My big take away from the quote & it's date is that people have been saying what you are for a long, long time.
Dabney was an elder statesman in the Church and his general writings as well as his theological treatises are extremely valuable today. Thanks for posting it Robert.
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Nah. Derby is right. Since no nation lasts forever and no candidate is perfect, it doesn't matter who is elected. 
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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Astute folks on this board have been saying the same for 5 years... but like back then it's not what they do, it's what we do about it.
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Nah. Derby is right. Since no nation lasts forever and no candidate is perfect, it doesn't matter who is elected. Just the other day there was a callout thread about how Massachusetts is just as good as Tennessee...or Kansas or Texas. Up there you can actually carry a gun, as long as it's unloaded...and locked up in the trunk...and the popo don't catch you with it.
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Nah. Derby is right. Since no nation lasts forever and no candidate is perfect, it doesn't matter who is elected. Just the other day there was a callout thread about how Massachusetts is just as good as Tennessee...or Kansas or Texas. Up there you can actually carry a gun, as long as it's unloaded...and locked up in the trunk...and the popo don't catch you with it. That is the thing I just don't get. People will get on here and rail against Massachusetts, California, or some other communist state and tell us how they are dragging the country down. Yet, they will never ask the simple question, "Why do I even want to be in the same country as people who think like that?" And of course, if you even suggest the idea, they get all huffy about it. I've come to the conclusion, that in this country at least, most people are so hopelessly indoctrinated on all that "Truth, justice, and the American way..." mess that they just turn off of their brains and don't even consider what is actually going on what the costs are. In short, they would rather be like people in the old Soviet Union and be able to brag about "kicking ass" around the world, than to be the freest people in the history of the world and be like Switzerland.
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our nation is based on the premise of freedom for individual citizens
no more right for us that believe in a much smaller gov't, less taxation and other conservative principles to ram down the throat of progressives our ideals when we get a momentary grasp of the reins of power
than it is for them to be forcing their "ideal" socialistic country upon us.
we need to split the country in at least two if anything resembling our Constitution is to survive imo.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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our nation is based on the premise of freedom for individual citizens
no more right for us that believe in a much smaller gov't, less taxation and other conservative principles to ram down the throat of progressives our ideals when we get a momentary grasp of the reins of power
than it is for them to be forcing their "ideal" socialistic country upon us.
we need to split the country in at least two if anything resembling our Constitution is to survive imo. Some of us told you that a long time ago and our ancestors tried it. I will say that our ideas are superior, or at least mine are. I require nothing of anyone other than to leave me alone. THAT is a morally superior position to any other.
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The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. I've got news for ya, God doesn't give a flip about your "temporal salvation". The Bible is full of blatant statements that the people who serve God will be mistreated, persecuted and often poor. I've heard lots of talk about it being God's will that Christians would unite and overthrow the government, and that's a tragic misunderstanding of our role in this life.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Some of us told you that a long time ago and our ancestors tried it.
I will say that our ideas are superior, or at least mine are. I require nothing of anyone other than to leave me alone. THAT is a morally superior position to any other. +1
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Same pile of $h!t just a new swarm of flies.
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http://leagueofthesouth.com/independence-the-souths-only-option/#comment-2237Long ago, Rev. Robert Lewis Dabney, a Presbyterian divine and Confederate officer on Stonewall Jackson�s staff, wrote this of American (i.e. yankee) Conservatism: �[American Conservativism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism � American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition � Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom � The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it �in wind,� and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy from having nothing to whip.� The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. It is broken and beyond reform. Neither place trust in the GOP or Democrat establishments. Both are corrupt and self serving. __________________________________________ Mike Hill in his insistence that DC is corrupt beyond reform and hopeless is near about the only sensible thing I have heard espoused politically in the last seven years when I first stumbled upon the LOS The Right Rev.Dabney is dead on about conservatism. Conservatism is the reason I became a small (l)ibertarian and anarchist and a staunch supporter of confederalism.
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Nah. Derby is right. Since no nation lasts forever and no candidate is perfect, it doesn't matter who is elected. I said no empire last forever. I also never said no candidate is perfect so it doesn't matter. What I tried to imply is that Federalist politicians are the only electable politicians for federal office especially for president. No Anti-federalist (confederate, limited government) politician will ever be elected to the office of president so it doesn't matter who gets the office or what party they are from it will be business as usual.
Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous
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The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. I've got news for ya, God doesn't give a flip about your "temporal salvation". The Bible is full of blatant statements that the people who serve God will be mistreated, persecuted and often poor. I've heard lots of talk about it being God's will that Christians would unite and overthrow the government, and that's a tragic misunderstanding of our role in this life. In other words Thomas (Bluedreaux) Hobbes, life is nasty, brutish and short.
Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous
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The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. I've got news for ya, God doesn't give a flip about your "temporal salvation". The Bible is full of blatant statements that the people who serve God will be mistreated, persecuted and often poor. I've heard lots of talk about it being God's will that Christians would unite and overthrow the government, and that's a tragic misunderstanding of our role in this life. Usually your posts are pretty well thought out but I believe you may have misinterpreted that statement entirely. temporal - "relating to worldly as opposed to spiritual affairs; secular" Salvation - "a source or means of being saved from harm, ruin, or loss" Rephrasing; place no hope in Washington as your source of being saved from worldly harm or ruin. That I agree with entirely. And I don't think we will ever improve any government until we get politicians out of it, which is a deliberately stated paradox. Power corrupts, men seek government office for power (or vice versa, the end result is the same). Look elsewhere for hope, you won't find it in any government, ever.
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The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. I've got news for ya, God doesn't give a flip about your "temporal salvation". The Bible is full of blatant statements that the people who serve God will be mistreated, persecuted and often poor. I've heard lots of talk about it being God's will that Christians would unite and overthrow the government, and that's a tragic misunderstanding of our role in this life. In other words Thomas (Bluedreaux) Hobbes, life is nasty, brutish and short. It's always been interesting to me that in the garden God found Adam while "walking in the cool of the day". Seems to me that even God enjoyed what he made. I enjoy the creation as well and my life is grand. But that's mostly because I've got my eyes set on something better, so the problems of life aren't as problematic for me as they are for some.
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The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. I've got news for ya, God doesn't give a flip about your "temporal salvation". The Bible is full of blatant statements that the people who serve God will be mistreated, persecuted and often poor. I've heard lots of talk about it being God's will that Christians would unite and overthrow the government, and that's a tragic misunderstanding of our role in this life. Usually your posts are pretty well thought out but I believe you may have misinterpreted that statement entirely. Rephrasing; place no hope in Washington as your source of being saved from worldly harm or ruin. I may have misunderstood it. I agree with your rephrasation completely.
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The upshot of all this is simple, really. Place no trust in Washington for your temporal salvation. I've got news for ya, God doesn't give a flip about your "temporal salvation". The Bible is full of blatant statements that the people who serve God will be mistreated, persecuted and often poor. I've heard lots of talk about it being God's will that Christians would unite and overthrow the government, and that's a tragic misunderstanding of our role in this life. I agree completely that the bible indicates suffering and death for the testimony of Christ, truth and righteousness and when I do wind my mind around political problems it seems like a futile exercise. Nonetheless I think that a serious Christian should seek a just society because there is a burden on our conscience towards our fellow man; such as the work that you do directly to arrest lawbreakers and protect the innocent. It would seem that there is a high concentration of people who still believe in "the laws of nature and of nature's God" who live in Dixie. Very few it seems who live up north. Secession would be a great good thing.
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