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Why not pretend like no one on the long range forum cares what you post? Oh, she does a lot of pretending.
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Yes, I can refute what you said. By showing that your opinion has no basis.
In fact, it's done.
Only in your mind. Not in reality "Only in your mind?" That's where your expertise resides. In fact, your expertise is legendary there.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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I'm glad to hear you don't think it is wrong. Defensive? That made me smile. FWIW-Who and how is it determined who is "responsible and properly equipped?" Please explain. I never once said it was "wrong"
That is yet another dramatization of what I really stated
Maybe you should go back and read my first post, and don't get all defensive about it
As to your last paragraph, everyone thinks THEY are "responsible and properly equipped", whether they really are or not
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Originally Posted By: Ringman Quote: I'll pretend.... Why not pretend like no one on the long range forum cares what you post? Why not pretend like no one on the long range forum cares what you post? Oh, she does a lot of pretending. You choose to read it. Don't whine about it when you do Childish insults show just how mature you are
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I'm glad to hear you don't think it is wrong.
Defensive? That made me smile.
FWIW-Who and how is it determined who is "responsible and properly equipped?"
Please explain. Yes, defensive, as evidenced by your replies Most think they are "responsible and properly equipped" whether they are or not. It's your phrase, not mine, so it's not up to me to explain it. With all the name calling and insults, no one has been able to show where anything I stated is incorrect. They are just all whining because they don't like any opinion not matching theirs
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They are just all whining because they don't like any opinion not matching theirs
That's not it. "They" don't like any opinion that's not backed up with experience. Or any other basis.
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So a guy with a LR username hangs out in the long range hunting forum and bashes long range and the guys that are adept at it. mtmuley
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Don't let Take a Pee take you guys too far.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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So a guy with a LR username hangs out in the long range hunting forum and bashes long range and the guys that are adept at it. mtmuley Evidently you didn't read what I really said either. I'm not surprised though. It's easier to make it about me than to admit what I REALLY SAID is true. I hope you all shoot better than you read
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Why do you pretend you were a sniper?
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Why do you pretend you were a sniper?
Travis I never have. Why do you lie?
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Typically to get out of a bad situation.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Typically to get out of a bad situation.
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So lying about me to divert the topic gets you out of havng to admit what I have said is true. I think I'll just put you back on ignore since it's pointless to attempt a rational conversation with an admitted liar
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[quote]I
FWIW-Who and how is it determined who is "responsible and properly equipped?"
Please explain.[/quote
Still looking for your explanation of what is responsible and what are the limits: right and wrong as far as distance on game?
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What you said is not true. Prove that it is. The onus is not on everybody else to disprove your wild claims, but on you to prove and support them with evidence and reasonable logic. Unfortunately reason and logic are typically the result of experience, which is something you haven't given us any reason to believe that you have, so your claims are without credibility or authority. How many animals have you killed beyond 400 yards? How often to you shoot targets beyond that distance? Do you own any purpose-built rifles set up for LR shooting?
On average, long-range shooters put more time, primers, and preparation into LR shots, and miss or wound less than average-Joe short-range shooters who shoot a couple boxes of ammo a year and take whatever shot they are offered, including running shots. These same average-Joe shooters tend not to wound at long range, they miss entirely. To use a line from your book- prove me wrong. But try using reason and evidence this time. I'll agree with you that most self-proclaimed LR shooters are over-equipped and under-prepared, as are most average Joe hunters, but there is a group of proficient LR shooters, and many of them hang out in this very forum.
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So lying about me to divert the topic gets you out of havng to admit what I have said is true.
I think I'll just put you back on ignore since it's pointless to attempt a rational conversation with an admitted liar No, no you silly goose. I have no need to lie about you. I already know you're a twerp with a receding hairline that never hunts. But you asked why I lie. And like most people, I do it to get out of bad situations. KILLER pics! Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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On average, long-range shooters put more time, primers, and preparation into LR shots, and miss or wound less than average-Joe short-range shooters who shoot a couple boxes of ammo a year and take whatever shot they are offered, including running shots. These same average-Joe shooters tend not to wound at long range, they miss entirely. To use a line from your book- prove me wrong. But try using reason and evidence this time.
Jordan, you are an experienced guy, that is inarguable to me. I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this. It seems that with most LR guys I read here on the fire, they fail to admit that they are totally at the mercy of the wind no matter how much ammo they burn. My buddies up in the TX Panhandle personally see the best snipers in the world shoot steel, targets, and prarie dogs, at extended ranges past 1000m. The ever present, inconsistent wind wreaks havoc with the very best shooters in the world, as they often time, very often, miss the mark the first shot or two, due to not being able to figure the dope, obviously. If it happens to these guys, it happens to any LR shooter anywhere. That's my reason for not totally drinking the koolaid. Now, when there's little to no wind, or a consistent wind (seldom), different story. You don't want these guys shooting at you no matter what. There is no way to prove if LR shooters wound more or less than regular shooters, no way. Also, exactly none of these snipers are using conventional (Swaro, Leica, Zeiss, Leupy, Nikon, Bushy, etc) rangefinders. They also shoot as a team. There's not one guy "swagging it" like lots of LR hunting wannabes do. The wind dictates the result, every single time.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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Wind has always been the Achilles heel of LR hunting and shooting.
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When I am shooting further, I am more relaxed or calm, than when archery hunting and the animal is right up on me. I have to work harder to get in "shoot mode" and stay calm when close up.
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On average, long-range shooters put more time, primers, and preparation into LR shots, and miss or wound less than average-Joe short-range shooters who shoot a couple boxes of ammo a year and take whatever shot they are offered, including running shots. These same average-Joe shooters tend not to wound at long range, they miss entirely. To use a line from your book- prove me wrong. But try using reason and evidence this time.
Jordan, you are an experienced guy, that is inarguable to me. I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this. It seems that with most LR guys I read here on the fire, they fail to admit that they are totally at the mercy of the wind no matter how much ammo they burn. My buddies up in the TX Panhandle personally see the best snipers in the world shoot steel, targets, and prarie dogs, at extended ranges past 1000m. The ever present, inconsistent wind wreaks havoc with the very best shooters in the world, as they often time, very often, miss the mark the first shot or two, due to not being able to figure the dope, obviously. If it happens to these guys, it happens to any LR shooter anywhere. That's my reason for not totally drinking the koolaid. Now, when there's little to no wind, or a consistent wind (seldom), different story. You don't want these guys shooting at you no matter what. There is no way to prove if LR shooters wound more or less than regular shooters, no way. Also, exactly none of these snipers are using conventional (Swaro, Leica, Zeiss, Leupy, Nikon, Bushy, etc) rangefinders. They also shoot as a team. There's not one guy "swagging it" like lots of LR hunting wannabes do. The wind dictates the result, every single time. They are practicing and learning wind calls. I will only shoot at an animal at long using wind calls that I am sure of. Example if in Idaho shooting in up drafts and down draft that I am unfamiliar with I do not take that shot. Nothing forces me to shoot when uncertain.
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