Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Yet another Vaccine-Denier is getting big airtime on the Internet... again...

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Ok, now I think I get it. No nasal,mucous,ocular or cardio-vascular congestion or other irritations with the flu, generally?

I've had lots of patients claim to have influenza after a fluvax, but since the advent of Direct Influenza pharyngeal swabs which allow me to test for flu in my office and ER (past 5 years or so) I have seen ZERO cases of influenza in patients who have been immunized. ZERO out of several thousand individuals.

As for symptoms of fullblown influenza infection: high fever (103+) that only partially responds to ASA/tylenol/ibuprofen, severe muscle aches, cough, chest pain with deep breathing and coughing, severe headache. Other symptoms may present as well. In its worst form, it can produce hemorrhagic symptoms/signs such as bloody diarrhea, hemoptysis (coughing up blood), and blood in the urine. Fatal cases I've seen in the past 20 years have been sometimes to some degree hemorrhagic.

My last personal bad run-in with flu was in 1983, and I was sicker than I had ever been in my life before or since. Really, really sick for 5-6 days, then weak & debilitated for 2 weeks thereafter. I couldn't walk a block for 2 weeks after getting sick.

That's the one! You don't forget it.

Direct Influenza pharyngeal swabs??

It's a long q tip for getting cultures from the throat/airway/nose.

Not a slang term for blow job.

Okay, at least three people you know have told you what real flu is like. Go get the shot.

and what goes over his head is because his mom was suseptable to it it was just as likely she would have got it had she got the flu without a vaccine....its an auto immune responce caused by a hell of alot of things, including coming down with the flu.....hell vaccines, given to how many people each year cause only around 40% of GB cases in the US....

if you run the numbers you are more likely to be killed by not getting the vaccine cause you come down with the exact strain it protects against than the chance of coming down with GB....

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See what I mean? It's difficult to break it all down.

Up until your post, I thought I was getting an ER BJ and I was emailing Anthem/BC/BS to see how much of it was covered.

Help me out. Where did I say that?And where did I say that?

and they dont hide the risks....no they dont scream them at the top of their lungs but neither does any other medication producer...but they arent hiding that occasionally there is a reaction....EVERYTHING has risk, the riskiest phugging thing you can do is get behind the wheel yet i bet you do it everyday....

I reject your characterization, but no, my dad's a big advocate for vaccinations. He has, however, come around on multiple issues I've had with him over the years. For example, he was convinced I was from Mars on the issue of the proper diet for cardiac health over the past twenty years (Getting butter or eggs in my home was a real hassle growing up, as he was strictly a margarine and Eggbeaters man, being an orthodox physician). Now, in his retirement, he's been forced to admit that the science has proven my position right, and that of orthodox medicine to have been wrong. Another example: For about fifteen years I've been warning him and my mom about NutraSweet, providing them with the details as to why it's not safe, and how it was approved based on political considerations rather than scientific. He always poo-pooed it, insisting that the literature doesn't support my position, and on he and she went guzzling down their coffee sweetened with NutraSweet (Equal). Recently he approached me and said, "You know, it turns out you were correct on NutraSweet all these years, and then he went into all the reasons, matching up exactly with what I'd been telling him all along. So, even an orthodox medical practitioner can eventually come around.

Doc,

Sorry, I got my Hep A and B mixed up.

Regardless, poor hygiene practices in various African vaccine programmes are now thought to have spread AIDS, plus other diseases as you noted with Ebola.

As the timeline for the emergence of HIV1 and HIV2 in Africa goes back to at least the 1950's, it does over lap the golden era of vaccinations, although the "explosion" was indeed later.

There was another simian virus (SV-40) that transferred from monkeys to humans, and this have been proved to be via contaminated polio vaccines back in the late 1950s early 1960's in the US. This same contamination has been detected in Soviet oral Polio vaccines into the late 1970's.

SV-40 is now common in humans, although is said to lie dormant. However, in other animals, its been linked to many different cancers especially in tumours, and has in fact been isolated in many human cancers and there is still controversy about the possible role of SV-40 virus in cancer in humans..

Regardless, it was contaminated vaccine production that allowed it to jump from monkeys to humans...

Other vaccines have allegedly been contaminated with female hormones which potentially could have reduced fertility in a population of male recipients, again this was in Africa.

So while I don't buy into all the various vaccination conspiracies, vaccination programs have been far from straight forward, and their potential downsides are not always obvious or immediate so I would say it pays to keep an open mind.

Regards,

Peter

What, Med School isn't just like undergrad? Three hours of class a day and 21 hours to goof off? Cliff Notes should be enough get you through Pathology (sarcasm inserted). They probably don't do pot cases anymore. All virtual.

You need a different venue and card.

Look for the Candy Stripers with a Cube on their iPhone.

Very funny. I fainted during the piglet dissection in Middle School. It was at that point I knew I didn't wish to be a physician.

It's the law.

wasnt contaminated production, it was the fact that thousands of vaccines would be given out with only a couple of needles....disposable syringes werent common til later....so because of the massive vaccine drive in Africa for smallpox and other things they rapidly spread AIDs from a couple people to a hell of alot....the vaccine wasnt the problem, improperly sterilized needles between patients was....

Yes, and stuck away in the Parvo-fiasco thread was this gem from WranglerJohn:


And then we find that the proliferation of vaccinations is linked with increased infant mortality - http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2...tically-increased-mortality-2523764.html

I don't think one or even a few vaccines are necessarily going to significantly harm you, but the number they want to give kids these days is ridiculous and there ain't no way I'm getting another one every year.

LOL!! Sounds like my son... he decided law would be a better career for him first time he had to field-dress a pheasant, about age 8, I'd guess..

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