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Bad analogy. That is - unless churches offer different flavors of wedding. A better analogy would be if you approached a hot dog stand and ordered a hot-dog and were then told, "we don't serve republicans".

It appears that the city and even the ACLU agree with you, and favor the Hitchin' Post point of view more than I do.....

http://boisestatepublicradio.org/post/coeur-dalene-says-hitching-post-exempt-gay-rights-law

Take note though, that they have had to change the list of their services in order to comply. (read the comments)

If you are a member of a church in the south, then having a wedding at your church is free. You might pay a tip to the pastor for performing the wedding. Reception is another matter. Some have receptions in the church dining hall without alcohol. Only decorations and food/snacks/flowers are what you pay for. So, in the south it pays to be a church member, for weddings or funerals. Some get married in the church, but have a reception at say the Elks Lodge where they can have alcohol. Membership at the Elks Lodge around here was $100 a year. Not bad, and they have a pool, monthly music and dancing.

...Court filings show the Hitching Post reorganized earlier this month as a �religious corporation.� In the paperwork, the owners describe their deeply held beliefs that marriage should be between one man and one woman....

Wow, a "religious corporation?" That may answer some people's prayers.

I've read enough of your rhetorical drivel to know it's meaningless.

The only thiing you "shredded" was any credibility you may have had

I'm on the side that says everyone has the same right to be treated equally by businesses

You'd bitch and moan if they refused to serve gun owners

A business can NOT force their beliefs on the customers

They have to treat them all the same

If a business refused to serve gun owners, first, we would ask how did they know? Then we would simply refuse to do business with them.


Secondly, this business in NOT forcing their beliefs on its customers. It is the customers via the power of the state forcing its belief on the business.

Big Difference!!!

The customers aren't forcing any "beliefs" by wanting to use the business

No one cares if they "believe" in it at all

They just want the same SERVICE offered to everyone else who pays the fees to the BUSINESS

The owners ARE forcing it by demanding the customers share their beliefs in order to obtain services offered for SALE to the public, which is illegal.

This is a circular argument. By using your rational, the customers ARE foring their belief on the buisness by demanding service...which up to a week ago (according to the article) was illegal.

So, would you be content in them being forced to rent out the faciliy...and not perform the wedding?

They aren't forcing any "beliefs"

They just want the SAME service provided to ALL other customers

No one has to change what they believe.

They just have to provide the service as they would to any other customer

It's really not that complicated

Well, that's dodging the point. A gay couple could conceal that fact, just as we conceal our guns. Will we all need to provide evidence of sex for a Christian wedding? How else can a poor minister be sure.

Background noise, gentlemen......

If religious groups were half as concerned about knowing and serving God as they are about having their man - made traditions defended, the world would be a better place.

That is a bit absurb. The idea that you would suggest that one would marry someone of the same sex to conceal their sodomy is really beneath you. The issue is same sex marriage. That is not the Biblical pattern reguardless of your alleged higher standard for religious or "Christian" platitiudes.

Marriage, by the way, is not a man-made tradition.

DITTOS!

No, it really is not that complicated.

If one has a deeply held belief that something is morally wrong, they have a choice of wither or not they want to participate in it. Being in buisness does not require (in a free country) to give up those convictions to be in business.

This is something that your customers will decide. They may decide that they do not want to do business with you and you loose customers. You may then go out of business. However, I doubt that this will be the case.

Instead, the government will put them out of business by fines and imprisonment, unless they "conform" to the ditates government morality...not to the ditates of their own concious.

Further, this is not the morality of the voters of Utah. It is the morality of appointed judges usurping the will of the people.

Its that simple.

MARRIAGE IS NOT A MAN-MADE TRADITION!

If marriage is not a man-made tradition than who invented marriage and don't say God. We have no empirical evidence on what God thinks or doesn't think about marriage.

The study of the tradition of marriage shows that marriage is a man-made or maybe I should say male-made tradition.

Why would they have done that?

edit: hint: Genesis 2:24. Not empirical, just a command from God.

To use women, who up until recently were chattel, for political purposes such as increasing a man's wealth, power, land, uniting clans, etc.

Up until a hundred years or so if a woman with property and money married in Montana she lost all rights to her property and money as it became the man's property and money upon marriage.

This is tough to understand unless one is willing to study ancient history and religions.

Of course I knew what your answer would be. Not an expert on ancient history or religions, but do know what Genesis 2:24 says. That's fairly ancient.

Yeah, it is. It didn't exist in it's current form until the Judeo-Christian-Islam faith structure arose in the Middle East.