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[quote=Harry M]When you shoot and kill innocent people, no matter who they are, you have given up your rights to be treated as a decent human being. [/quot e]
Not so in this great land. Until the after the trial (wherein all of us expect he will be found guilty as charged) suspects who are, by the accounts I read including the officers reports, giving up peacefully, should be treated as just that, citizen - suspects. It is not for the arresting officers to mete out any retribution. Though I readily recognize that such would be a HUGE temptation. Maybe a temptation beyond most of our abilities to withstand. I may have acted the same way, don't know. My only point was that violence against a still 'suspect' is a bad genie to let out of the bottle.
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I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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the big surprise is that he was taken alive.
Not really. I never figured he had the balls to get in an active gunfight, and really didnt think he had enough chutzpa to kill himself. This was a game to him, some whacked out fantasy, with the reality just setting in for him.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Dude rips off the elderly to make a living, and passes judgement on how others should act.
You just can't make this chit up.
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I'm all for innocent until proven guilty, but the reality of the situation says an violent, armed 'suspect' can expect a few more scuffs/scrapes during arrest than a jay walking soccer mom...
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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[quote=Harry M]When you shoot and kill innocent people, no matter who they are, you have given up your rights to be treated as a decent human being. [/quot e]
Not so in this great land. Until the after the trial (wherein all of us expect he will be found guilty as charged) suspects who are, by the accounts I read including the officers reports, giving up peacefully, should be treated as just that, citizen - suspects. It is not for the arresting officers to mete out any retribution. Though I readily recognize that such would be a HUGE temptation. Maybe a temptation beyond most of our abilities to withstand. I may have acted the same way, don't know. My only point was that violence against a still 'suspect' is a bad genie to let out of the bottle. They didn't dole out any retribution. It was a felony takedown. You're not gonna be treated with kid gloves. There was no violence against the suspect. Just because one appears to" give up peacefully" does not mean we will let our guard down and have tea and crumpets with you. You're going to be directed to do things. When you fail to do them you will get assistance in doing them.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Here is an excerpt from an article interveiwing the marshall who arrested frein
In an interview with CNN, Malkowski elaborated, saying that when marshals approached Frein he was prone on the ground but was looking up at the marshals. Standard protocol, Malkowski said, is to have the suspect look away from law enforcement, so he cannot anticipate their moves.
So Frein was forced to be face first on the asphalt looking away from officers. In the process, his face was scraped, Malkowski told CNN.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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PUT THE SHOVEL DOWN!!!!!!
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PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!!!!! Much like Ron White. SM seems to not have the 'ability'
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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He is lucky it wasn't 30 years or so back he would have looked a lot worse. I have no sympathy for this scum and no respect for those who would show him any mercy.
There are no problems that cannot be resolved by the suitable application of high explosive.
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This original post was never meant for intelligent discussion among like minded reasonable thinking adult men. It was a pitiful attempt to troll for attention, be that good or bad.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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"Troubling"? Really? This piece of crap murdered two cops and will probably be fed and housed at taxpayer expense for the rest of his life, Most likely being considered a celebrity among the prison population for what he did. And the OP is troubled because he got his face scratched up? F**kin' idiot. 
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Much like Ron White. SM seems to not have the 'ability' Why would he quit when y'all keep playing his game? Put him on ignore, or stop whining about his posts It's not rocket science
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
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I'm not complaining. I don't bitch about free entertainment
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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This original post was never meant for intelligent discussion among like minded reasonable thinking adult men. It was a pitiful attempt to troll for attention, be that good or bad. Actually I did put it up in hopes of starting a reasonable adult conversation. I am surprised a bit that I am the only one who is concerned about the actions of the arresting officers. But, if that is the case, so be it. I have never been afraid of being a minority voice in a matter of conscience and liberty. Let each man decide for himself where he falls on this question. My position remains unchanged, that police do not have the right to impose injury if a suspect is being compliant. I was not there, and if the suspect refused to move his head in a certain direction as ordered then some force would certainly be in order, but I don't see how a simply moving his face to the side would result in three separate wounds and two of them that bloody. Report did not note any attempts of the suspect to intentionally injure himself. I agree with others that he was probably not brave enough to injure himself or try a firefight etc. To 'snipe' an unsuspecting person is, without question, an act of utmost cowardice.
LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports.
About 2016 team "R" candidates "We definitely need a crew with a sack of balls the size of hot water bottles, bloviated estrogen leaking feel-gooders need not apply." Gunner 500
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Claiborne is running a con here, and swindling people.
That can't, and shouldn't be ignored.
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Not so in this great land. ���. My only point was that violence against a still 'suspect' is a bad genie to let out of the bottle.
Perhaps you have forgotten what can happen when attempting an arrest... http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/2-men-arrested-for-shooting-death-of-troopers/25773622I was remind once again how much our LEO have to contend with under 'simple' circumstances on Halloween night. We live on a quiet side street that gets used - every once in a great while- by people who get lit up on a nearby busy road. A driver was followed into our side street and stopped by an undercover. The lone officer, standing by the window of the suspect's car, kept looking behind himself into the darkened yard across the street. Seeing that happen several times, I realized that he was, for some reason, watching his back. It's not like Frein was arrested for a burned out taillight. Getting scratched up for that might be concerning; Frein or other felonious suspects�not so much.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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This original post was never meant for intelligent discussion among like minded reasonable thinking adult men. It was a pitiful attempt to troll for attention, be that good or bad. Actually I did put it up in hopes of starting a reasonable adult conversation. I am surprised a bit that I am the only one who is concerned about the actions of the arresting officers. But, if that is the case, so be it. I have never been afraid of being a minority voice in a matter of conscience and liberty. Let each man decide for himself where he falls on this question. My position remains unchanged, that police do not have the right to impose injury if a suspect is being compliant. I was not there, and if the suspect refused to move his head in a certain direction as ordered then some force would certainly be in order, but I don't see how a simply moving his face to the side would result in three separate wounds and two of them that bloody. Report did not note any attempts of the suspect to intentionally injure himself. I agree with others that he was probably not brave enough to injure himself or try a firefight etc. To 'snipe' an unsuspecting person is, without question, an act of utmost cowardice. Their essentially rugburns. Nothing more. Read the account of the marshall and even a tool like you should be able to figure put how they happened
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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The pendulum swings one way and then the other. The judiciary has neutered our criminal justice system. Criminals rearly receive a punishment that the majority believe is just. The death penalty, which our founding fathers certainly embraced and the majority of citizens support, is off the table in most situation. The pendulum swings but this guy probably won't.
P.S., OP, feel sorry for you. You've obviously invested a lot of time in the campfire, but you've worn out your welcome. Get a new screen name if you must, but safariman is done.
"What I was saying is if my kin folk 400 years ago had guns, we wouldn�t be having this conversation. I�m in favor of guns and encourage everyone I know to have them because the last time we didn�t have them we were abused.�
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Much like Ron White. SM seems to not have the 'ability' Why would he quit when y'all keep playing his game? Put him on ignore, or stop whining about his posts It's not rocket science Not a game of any kind, friend. A thought to put out there for reasoned men to consider, ponder and discuss as free men. I am dead serious about my point and my belief. IF other evidence comes forth that this cowardly sniper type resisted more than is being reported so far, then no worries. But if a compliant suspect gets roughed up, that is a very bad thing no matter what the crimes are that he is suspected of commiting. Again, regardless of how scummy this guy is - and I agree that he is a total dirtbag based upon what we know of him - allowing police to rough up a suspect is a genie that we cannot afford to let out of the bottle. But maybe we already have....
LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports.
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