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WAR huu good god what is it good for absolutely nothing. Anybody feel like dancing? Edwin Starr, 1970
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Any notion of the need for war is just stupid. Won't be a civil war and most certainly won't be a war among super powers unless you want the world you live in to end....
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There seems to be a burgeoning undercurrent of animosity between certain groups of people in this country, which has intensified dramatically since BHO took office with his cohort of progressives, dependents and race hustlers�
A wide scale civil shooting war? Not a chance!. However pockets of social unrest will likely increase as we continue to degrade. For example, the Ferguson verdict from the GJ could be tragic, and if located there I would be ready for some type of serious and potentially deadly conflagration.
People nowadays are stupefied by their sports teams, television, social media, computer gaming, and various forms of tawdry entertainment. As long as the pabulum flows and keeps the populace stupefied, the tide will not turn�.Reminds me of the retired law man in "No Country for Old Men" talking to TLJ about the rising of the "dismal tide."
I hold a biblical word view, so what is happening now is highly predictable. Get used to seeing a lot more societal degradation. All once can do is to continue to resist with one's values, voting, volunteering for good causes, self sufficiency, staying tight with like minded family and friends, and consistent upright daily behavior. It also seems to help to get away outdoors a lot to provide further contrast.
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Worked great in Syria, right? it all depends on which outside groups support the effort. Right?
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I hold a biblical word view, so what is happening now is highly predictable. Get used to seeing a lot more societal degradation. All once can do is to continue to resist with one's values, voting, volunteering for good causes, self sufficiency, staying tight with like minded family and friends, and consistent upright daily behavior. It also seems to help to get away outdoors a lot to provide further contrast. I tend to think like you. I can't think of a living soul that I hate. When it does hit the fan I'll stay close, mind my own business as long as "they" will let me and do what I can for family and friends. My kids seem to think that, as an owner of weapons and ammo, I'm sitting and waiting for somebody to come onto the property just so I can shoot them. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am trying to be prepared for survival. That's all. (Getting to shoot a goblin is just gravy.) 
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always good to see the voices of reason speak out
I understand the anger and frustration as our way of life seems to be under continual attack
still in my mind killing another human being should be held as our last resort as responsible owners of firearms
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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There seems to be a burgeoning undercurrent of animosity between certain groups of people in this country, which has intensified dramatically since BHO took office with his cohort of progressives, dependents and race hustlers�
A wide scale civil shooting war? Not a chance!. However pockets of social unrest will likely increase as we continue to degrade. For example, the Ferguson verdict from the GJ could be tragic, and if located there I would be ready for some type of serious and potentially deadly conflagration.
People nowadays are stupefied by their sports teams, television, social media, computer gaming, and various forms of tawdry entertainment. As long as the pabulum flows and keeps the populace stupefied, the tide will not turn�.Reminds me of the retired law man in "No Country for Old Men" talking to TLJ about the rising of the "dismal tide."
I hold a biblical word view, so what is happening now is highly predictable. Get used to seeing a lot more societal degradation. All once can do is to continue to resist with one's values, voting, volunteering for good causes, self sufficiency, staying tight with like minded family and friends, and consistent upright daily behavior. It also seems to help to get away outdoors a lot to provide further contrast.
I agree. You'd have enjoyed this one dude that we used to have here that called himself 280Don. He's long gone though.
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Most of the people who call for war have never attended one. Most likely...and if a civil war ever did break out here, who's to say we wouldn't end up with an even more oppressive form of govt. I'm not fond of some of the things going on with our govt. but the best way to effect change is with a BALLOT
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I'm not talking about opposing armies. How about just holding folks accountable? About how big government is stealing our rights and turning the country into a socialist dream land? Those folks need to know their behavior is unacceptable. No one needs to be shot. Well OK. Maybe only a few need to be publically nurtured. kwg I don't disagree, but I'm confused. Given that the democratic process is now officially a joke, and most of the politicians you might try to charge with something will claim sovereign immunity, how do you propose to hold folks accountable without shooting them? If you happen to have a quantity of decent blackmail material, that's a non-violent opportunity for accountability; but if you don't (and politicians are getting harder and harder to blackmail because they're more and more willing to admit it--no, proclaim it--publicly anyway) then what else is there? And when you back off and look at it dispassionately, what would you be holding them accountable for anyway? Just being politicians, right? Everybody understands that politicians are corrupt lying weasels; isn't it kind of unfair to put them in a position of power and then punish them for following the nature you knew in your bones they had when you put them there? Let's be straight with ourselves. When a politician promises us something, and we believe him and send him to Washington, and he screws us over, whose fault is that really? His, or ours?
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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We have a mess of a country, but we are a very long way from civil war. A civil war is much, much more messy than what we have.
War is also very risky business. There is no telling what would emerge from the ashes. Odds are poor that it would be an improvement over what we have.
There is much more to be gained from being active and involved in the political process.
I'm with you...except that I'm more interested in the extralegal political process than trying to reform the franchise. I don't think we're going to be able to pry the bad ones out (of course I think they're all bad ones, but I understand that some disagree with me), and I don't think any that get in--regardless of their intentions--will be able to make anything but the most cosmetic changes. So instead of spending effort trying to get the right people into office and the wrong people out, how about spending that effort trying to make the offices themselves more and more irrelevant and powerless? Then their success in the corruption of the franchise would remain, but it would have less and less effect.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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Any true threat of civil war ,and the ,and the second admendment is abolished.It don't mater whether Democrates,or Republicans are in power,any form of threat to their power,or their masters(Big Corperate power)will not be tolerated.Look how fast Hoover ,and McArther turned on the WW1 vets,and how Harding used the U.S.Army against the miners on Blair Mountain.He even sent planes from fort Cambel to bomb them.It really proves who really pulls the strings in this country when the armed forces are used as corperate mussel ..Both parties are dirty,and rotten.We need a fresh start,but the only true way for positive change is political reform from time to time.When ever you blindly vote a straight ticket you get the good,and the worse in the party,and usely their campains are completly financed by outside intrest.Do you really think they expect nothing in return?..
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I'm not talking about opposing armies. How about just holding folks accountable? About how big government is stealing our rights and turning the country into a socialist dream land? Those folks need to know their behavior is unacceptable. No one needs to be shot. Well OK. Maybe only a few need to be publically nurtured. kwg I don't disagree, but I'm confused. Given that the democratic process is now officially a joke, and most of the politicians you might try to charge with something will claim sovereign immunity, how do you propose to hold folks accountable without shooting them? If you happen to have a quantity of decent blackmail material, that's a non-violent opportunity for accountability; but if you don't (and politicians are getting harder and harder to blackmail because they're more and more willing to admit it--no, proclaim it--publicly anyway) then what else is there? And when you back off and look at it dispassionately, what would you be holding them accountable for anyway? Just being politicians, right? Everybody understands that politicians are corrupt lying weasels; isn't it kind of unfair to put them in a position of power and then punish them for following the nature you knew in your bones they had when you put them there? Let's be straight with ourselves. When a politician promises us something, and we believe him and send him to Washington, and he screws us over, whose fault is that really? His, or ours? It's why I am not optimistic regarding the eventual state of this nation. If a carbon atom is the smallest, indivisible part of any living, organic being, the carbon atom of The Scriptures is that, man by his nature abuses and eventually ruins every good thing. Pardon this thought from Theology 101, but it is at the heart of man's living, breathing, and acting in all spheres of life. Consequently, we have the inevitable Cycle of Nations which begins with "bondage" and eventually ends there again. Obviously, "nations," means we are talking corporately. Certainly, there may be cultures and regions, and certainly, individuals who don't follow this path in lock-step or even at all, but the critical threshold of man's nature emanating through the body politic will get us there.
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We don't need a Civil War, there is zero reason for that kind of bloodshed. But where we are heading is a lot more like Nazi Germany and Cold War Soviet Union, than America.
Threads like this show that as a group, we've traded the love of freedom, for the safety of status quo. We've lost the will to do what is right, unless it's convenient and there is a Starbucks close by.
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All empires fall. Study history, and you have a guide to what is likely happening and what may follow. Guessing at what comes or what should come is a fool's game.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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But where we are heading is a lot more like Nazi Germany and Cold War Soviet Union, than America.
I think it's going to look a lot more like Mad Max.
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Want to shut down the Government?Nobody pay your taxes.Refuse to have tax with held from your paycheck or take a bazzilion deductions.Start your own Church and have your paycheck donated to The Church.Don`t support any Politicians.Its hard to phuc up stuff when you have no money or support.
Its all right to be white!!
Stupidity left unattended will run rampant
Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
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But where we are heading is a lot more like Nazi Germany and Cold War Soviet Union, than America.
I think it's going to look a lot more like Mad Max. I want his car....and the dog!
Proud to be a true Sandlapper!!
Go Nats!!!!
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If the US government goes belly up, your paycheck will be worthless. Dollars will be just paper.
The entire world pretty much runs on the US dollar. Without a viable and operating US government, the entire world financial system would collapse.
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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That won't help, Huntz. They will just borrow the money and keep on going.
and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? (Micah 6:8) d.v. Musings on TDS
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If the US government goes belly up, your paycheck will be worthless. Dollars will be just paper.
The entire world pretty much runs on the US dollar. Without a viable and operating US government, the entire world financial system would collapse. Quite right. And isn't it incredible that there are a bunch of folks, even some on this board, who are so foolish as to think that collapse would be a good thing?
and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? (Micah 6:8) d.v. Musings on TDS
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