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Guess I'm one of those cowards you're talking about. I've been to war and I sure as hell don't want one to take place in America.

Of course, The members of the uber-warrior he-man dick measuring and weekend war movie club may think differently.

The only way to "fix" this country is to take back control of our money system from the private, global banksters that own it now.

�Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws.� Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812)

Look at the history of revolutions. The high ideas almost never come to fruition.

We have to look at the nature of the American Revolutionary war. A war against a colonial power is decidedly different than one against a residential government. Essentially we drove what became a foreign invader out. We did not destroy it, we drove it out. In what you are talking here, you could not drive it out, you would have to destroy it.

Also, Great Britain did not have the option of bringing its full weight against America. To do so would require it to move assets from other areas it considered just as valuable. They then would be subject to attack in those areas. Had Great Britain been able to bring the full weight of its military against America we likely would have lost.

But we have a sitting government, indigenous to the United States. A revolution against it would bring its full weight, not to mention the U.N. forces. Since China has such a large investment here, I would expect Chinese troops on every street corner. Potentially millions of them.

I don't think a revolution, which you term as a civil war, would be a return to the founding principles, even if you won. I more think it would be like the French Revolution, and the bulk of revolutions that follow that line.

The constitution is just a piece of paper that can't protect us.
We have to protect it.
The longer we are passive or reactive, the more opportunities the collectivists get.
Just read the two week old gun control laws for WA state, and get a feel for how the enemy is advancing.

No argument with that. But maintaining the status quo is priority #1 with both parties, all 3 branches of the government, the military, and at *least* half the population of the country.

There's no support for initiating any *real* change in the way the country is configured.

Hell,...you can't even get people to consider voting third party.

There are producers and there are beggars.
As Jefferson said, the difference between whigs and tories is ancient and precedes governments.

But there are two types of beggars.
Those that want 50% GDP like a parasite [attorneys].
Those that want 100% GDP like a predator [teacher's union].

With only democracy and a free press and public schools operated by liberals, the advance of collectism will stop at 50% of GDP.

To get 100% Marxism, they will need to take your guns.

Empires fall because they overextend and overspend. They devalue their currency to try and keep up. They then become internally oppressive to stifle dissent and collect more and more of the depreciated currency in the form of taxes.

In the end, they become so bad that half the population doesn't care if they fail and the other half is actively hoping for it so that it can get some relief. Sound familiar?

In the later days of the Roman empire, the job of a tax collector was so unpopular and difficult, that a law was passed that mandated that the sons of tax collectors had to follow in the footsteps of their fathers and become tax collectors themselves. In the end, people found life much better under the by then, thoroughly civilized and Romanized barbarians than they did under the yoke of the empire. It was, and is possible for civilization to exist without trying to run the world.

Governments fall only when the money is no good.
There are no exceptions.

But that is like saying people die only when their heart stops beating. The cause effect vector may point to or from the heart.

A clinton Vs bush jack-fest might sway a few.

Or,..blow your house and 10 acres of land up with a drone attack,...from the comfort of their office while enjoying a morning cup of coffee.

It's not 1776 any more.

I worked on drone design in the 80s.
I don't know what is going on now, but they cost more than a house.

They don't cost more than a revolution.

After he won 49 states, the libs got rid Nixon without an impeachment. Just the threat.

You prepare for war to avoid war.

I think we should just give up. Country's not worth fighting for.

But we've already tried the whole limit-the-scope-of-government-by-writing-words-on-paper thing. It doesn't work. Maybe you think it's because we haven't written the right words yet; but the fact is that before the ink is dry on whatever words you pick, the government will already have begun finding its way around, over, and through them.

Words can't limit government. We've seen that repeatedly in this country.

Guns can't limit government. Look what Saddam Hussein was able to do to Iraq even though you could hardly walk anywhere without AK-47s and RPGs crunching underfoot.

Economics can limit government.

That's where the answer lies, I think, if there is one. Peaceful, extralegal economic rebellion.

Just might work again. With Obama.

Not as long as there is the panacea of the printing presses.

That appears to be the universal opinion. It's just one that I don't happen to hold.

Well,...if someone suggested flying to the moon with a hang glider I'd say that they should get over that idea, also.

Good thing we weren't around in 1776.