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Kevin, if we didn't justify our rounds, there would be nothign to talk about...

Hey you're pretty good; that's right. (not being a smart arse, few actually pick up on that)

B U T - Even though the benefits of JHP are greater for the 9mm than the .45 ACP, the end diameter of .45 ACP still tends to be .65-.70 diameter, whereas your average 9mm JHP rarely makes it to .60 (my direct observations of doing actual ballistic testing with Knox & Kind ballistic gelatin, several pistols in multiple calibers and at least 6 different loads for each caliber). So even though the increase in size is greater with the 9mm, the end diameter is still larger with the .45 ACP.

Now to something relevant...Does it matter?
All evidence points to the fact that the end result of wound cavities and people shot on the street that the two rounds are essentially indistinguishable. With that larger frontal diameter, the .45 ACP tends to penetrate less, and the smaller/faster 9mm tends to penetrate more. Actual tissue destroyed tends to be close enough to the same that I've yet to see any convincing data to suggest what tiny difference actually matters on a live target.

It's just like those people who try to tell you a .30-06 is "so much better" than a .270...hogwash!!

If a guy only feels warm and fuzzy with a .45 ACP, who cares? Let him shoot the .45 ACP and be done with it.

If some guy says he'll only walk the streets with 15 or more rounds per magazine because he thinks he will take on the entire Sinaloa cartel, who cares (unless he misses with all 15 rounds), take your 9mm and be happy.

Interesting stats:

.357 (both magnum and Sig) # of people shot - 105 # of hits - 179 % of hits that were fatal - 34% Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.7 % of people who were not incapacitated - 9% One-shot-stop % - 44% Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 81% % actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 61% - See more at: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866#sthash.MGTP4GYl.dpuf

9mm Luger # of people shot - 456 # of hits - 1121 % of hits that were fatal - 24% Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.45 % of people who were not incapacitated - 13% One-shot-stop % - 34% Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 74% % actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 47% - See more at: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866#sthash.MGTP4GYl.dpuf

45 ACP # of people shot - 209 # of hits - 436 % of hits that were fatal - 29% Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.08 % of people who were not incapacitated - 14% One-shot-stop % - 39% Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 85% % actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 51% - See more at: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866#sthash.MGTP4GYl.dpuf

A few questions for those in the know.

Do they make a concealable ten shot 10 gauge slug handgun?

Will the 460 Roland bounce off bad guys?

Is a 90mm better than a 45ACP?

Would a Derringer in 505 Gibbs be an adequate stopping round?

First, carry what you have, then carry what shoot the best, then remember to carry every day all day. If a plastic 380 works for you then it is good. The rest is just fluff.

So would a 90mm rifle bet the best concealed carry?

You need 16 rounds if you plan on missing a lot. I carry a .45 with 7+1 myself. I'd bet money I can hit a man at 50 yards easily, much less at 7.

Do they make it with a 16 round mag, a sig brace, and 11" barrel?

I disagree, plenty examples of mob violence occurring in recent years. Not outside the realm to possibly find yourself in the middle of a large [bleep] out these days, and there's no such thing as too many bullets there.

Two things never asked for by a person after being in a gunfight, a smaller gun and less bullets..........

Scott, there is something about the feel of a Kimber super carry inside the belt. If I lived where you do, it would be a real option.

But alas....I live amongst the mobs, so it's high capacity with extra mags for me....

Looks like a 455 to me...