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If we assume that rotational velocity (spin) decreases at the same rate as flight velocity the bullet won't be spinning much when it contacts game , depending on range of course. And I'll bet it slows to nothing when it expands...a bullet is not a good flywheel. It's mass is not far from the center.
See if you can find any ballistic gel tests showing spiral lines in the cavity. Do you notice a difference? Travis
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If we assume that rotational velocity (spin) decreases at the same rate as flight velocity the bullet won't be spinning much when it contacts game , depending on range of course. And I'll bet it slows to nothing when it expands...a bullet is not a good flywheel. It's mass is not far from the center.
See if you can find any ballistic gel tests showing spiral lines in the cavity. Do you notice a difference? Travis JB just noted a test or two for that and says rotational velocity does not slow nearly as fast as flight velocity. I don't remember why, but I was surprised by it.
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See if you can find any ballistic gel tests showing spiral lines in the cavity. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/massive.jpg) What do I win?
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If we assume that rotational velocity (spin) decreases at the same rate as flight velocity the bullet won't be spinning much when it contacts game , depending on range of course. And I'll bet it slows to nothing when it expands...a bullet is not a good flywheel. It's mass is not far from the center.
See if you can find any ballistic gel tests showing spiral lines in the cavity. Rotational spin does not slow nearly as much as linear velocity.
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This just in...
A study from ACME Ballisticians states there is absolutely no connection of fast twist and faster death...
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See if you can find any ballistic gel tests showing spiral lines in the cavity. What do I win? Too fuggin' funny... Travis
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This just in...
A study from ACME Ballisticians states there is absolutely no connection of fast twist and faster death...
You are just using that to support your argument that a wood stocked .222 mag with a 12 twist kills just as quickly as a synthetic .223AI with an 8 twist... Just keep on living in your little dream world.....my gophs and PDs don't even have time to scream when they are hit 
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It seems to me that if you shoot an animal in the right spot, with a reasonably suitable bullet, it dies pretty much straight away. I don't know what difference twist rate might make to that, past the point of the bullet being stabilised, because it has never occurred to me to wonder whether animals could get any deader. This pretty much sums up the internet.
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Hmmm...
Shot four deer with 28 twist ML rifles this fall. All four went straight down and died in their tracks. All four had nasty damage. All four killed with Barnes 250 grain T-EZ.
I am of the opinion that faster twist and fragile bullets do kill faster (well bigger splatter factor any way). 1700 FPS in a 28 twist barrel is neither fast twist nor high velocity.
I don't think the answer is quite so simple.
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The title of this thread should be "Fast Twist = More Terminal Damage". Take the same bullet same load same velocity from a 7 twist against a 14 twist and the difference is apparent.
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If we assume that rotational velocity (spin) decreases at the same rate as flight velocity the bullet won't be spinning much when it contacts game , depending on range of course. And I'll bet it slows to nothing when it expands...a bullet is not a good flywheel. It's mass is not far from the center.
See if you can find any ballistic gel tests showing spiral lines in the cavity. Why would we assume that?
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If we assume that rotational velocity (spin) decreases at the same rate as flight velocity the bullet won't be spinning much when it contacts game , depending on range of course. And I'll bet it slows to nothing when it expands...a bullet is not a good flywheel. It's mass is not far from the center.
See if you can find any ballistic gel tests showing spiral lines in the cavity. Checkout the multiple rotations the bullet makes as it passes through a 16" length of ballistic gelletin. http://www.barnesbullets.com/videos/308_180gr_TSX_6fps_logo.mov
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This just in...
A study from ACME Ballisticians states there is absolutely no connection of fast twist and faster death...
You are just using that to support your argument that a wood stocked .222 mag with a 12 twist kills just as quickly as a synthetic .223AI with an 8 twist... Just keep on living in your little dream world.....my gophs and PDs don't even have time to scream IF they are hit That's more like it...
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If we assume that rotational velocity (spin) decreases at the same rate as flight velocity the bullet won't be spinning much when it contacts game , depending on range of course. And I'll bet it slows to nothing when it expands...a bullet is not a good flywheel. It's mass is not far from the center.
See if you can find any ballistic gel tests showing spiral lines in the cavity. It doesn't.
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I've been there, but not with fast twist rifles...
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It seems some are talking faster death, while others are talking more dramatic death.
I don't know if a faster twist kills small critters faster, but it sure does seem to produce more dramatic results.
Like I said pages ago, these "dramatic results" are not readily apparent, at least not by myself, on larger critters.....
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This thread is hilarious.
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So if I'm bowhunting...should I be converting all of my arrows with straight-fletched vanes to helical to make them spin faster...and a very radical helical at that?
Which begs the question. Does a right helical kill faster than a left helical? Or does it matter which direction the animal is facing?
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So if I'm bowhunting...should I be converting all of my arrows with straight-fletched vanes to helical to make them spin faster...and a very radical helical at that?
Which begs the question. Does a right helical kill faster than a left helical? Or does it matter which direction the animal is facing?
Sorry, I couldn't resist
Due to the aforementioned coriolis effect, your helical fletched arrows need to be twisted right north of the equator, and twisted left, south of the equator. Jeez...do we have to explain everything...?Try to keep up.
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