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Don't mind him DINK, we know police like yourself support firearms safety laws including confiscation to make us safer and your job easier.

And there's always gonna be some cops that are more than willing to enforce those laws no matter how chicken$h!t and unjust they are.

It's not a "play". It's a fact.
You clearly stated your position above.

A BS degree neither makes a good chemist or good law enforcement officer. Both are made by their upbringing. Education is a plus, but the background was molded by proper upbringing. Over abundance of educated idiots out their that are running short on common sense and proper upbringing. GW

And that's really the best you can do?

Cops ARE civilians.

The idea that they somehow are not is a huge problem.

Just checked back in on this thread and am pleased to see that it remains in the running for having some of the all-time dumbest [bleep] statements I've ever read on the 'Fire, and that's saying something. My faith in the bottom rung of the ladder here is fully restored.

Actually, a degree is a hurdle. It makes an applicant prove that they have motivation and desire to enter a field that requires it.

My current profession is a lot like yours in that the degree I have (RN) is a hurdle, just like LE degree you need here in MN to be a cop. I learned 99% of what I do on the job after I got said degree, but getting the degree provided a process to week out those who didn't want to actually put forth any effort to join the ranks of the profession, as well as the lazy and stupid.

I'm in IT, and degrees are normally required.

Even in an industry where folks who didn't finish college include Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison.

The REAL problem is most managers don't have any actual skills, and thus can't hire people based on their skillset. They have to rely on a piece of paper.

I would also point out that, in my situation, I started being an RN with a two-year degree. I had my hospital pay for me to finish a 4-year. Now, all the metro hospitals are trying to only hire 4-year degree RN's. After about 20 years the difference in pay had I not finished my 4-year degree is less than a buck an hour. Not really worth it if you are making almost 50 bucks an hour with the 2-year degree....

Much like some LEO's in the thread have stated, the paper doesn't make the man (or woman). The two year school I went to had 98% of the class pass boards the first time. ONE idiot (class of 50)failed, and she never became an RN, and never should have. She was book smart, but completely lacked common sense. One of the expensive 4-year nursing programs in the cities got put on probation by the state board of nursing the year I graduated. They had a 60-something percent pass rate on boards. Those people paid 8x what I did per credit to not be taught what they needed to pass boards.

MN requires a two-year degree for law enforcement. I think that is a good thing, as it ensures that at least the person is around 20 and demonstrated a desire that they followed through with.

When I first started I was paid so little that we qualified for government assistance. So I did what everybody did and took a second job. It took a job and a half to survive, two jobs to make any headway at living.

Not for or against a college degree requirement. But men aren't gonna get a degree for a job that pays poverty level wages. And not all communities can afford to pay a lot.

Which is why it needs to be up to local communities to figure out what'll work for them.

Glad you liked it. Rungs are where it starts.

Police are a militarized occupation force, not civilians. That is why they are mentioned as exempt in statutes intended to control civilians and/or they do not enforce those laws against each other. Totally different group than civilians.

You looking forward to Christmas break little guy? What is Santa gonna bring you?

Yep, police aren't paid well at all:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nce-victims-list-grows-article-1.2000120

http://www.okc.gov/okcpd/recruiting/index.html

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/40/4055000.html

What's with the snarky comments? I am on your side. I post support for the same individuals and groups you do. So why do you act towards me in this manner?

You don't support anything I support, you can't even cone up with an original thought. But I bet your momma's still proud enough of you to let you live in the basement rent free

This former Baltimore policeman paints a different picture in the respect department.

"When I was a police officer in Baltimore, I would drive around and put out one brush fire after another. It would have been easy to be overwhelmed by the lives broken by repeated bad choices, by the mentally ill, the children who grow up without hope, another murder victim, the literal stink of society's least wanted and the sheer magnitude of human idiocy.

As to police danger, it shouldn't be overstated (police officers are paranoid enough as is), but the danger isn't just in the small though real risk of being attacked and killed. What screws with your head is the constant occupational demand of hyper alertness -- of having to engage with and confront danger, and always on danger's terms.

When I cleared a drug corner, sometimes I couldn't help but wonder why the dealers didn't just jump me. Effective compliance is as much earned as ordered, but I don't think they obeyed me because they liked me (at least I hope not). Bluster aside, my job and safety depended on respect and deference to my authority"

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now its certainly possible that once the thin blue line is torn apart that the police would serve in a different capacity but I can't imagine them being very effective in that environment.

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a. A person who is not an active member of the military, the police, or a belligerent group in a conflict.

you really want to define yourself as not being a civilian?