Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Long Range Hunting What cartridge/bullet/caliber 06 and below is king?

Is there some reason why you can't own one because you said you would if you could? Yet you don't! You own cartridges all around the 284. Yet you feel the ones you own are not as good such as the 7/08 and 7 mag?

Shod

I like the 264 WM I Have reached 3261fps with the Woodleigh 160gr PPSN with a BC of 0.509 and 3226fps with the JLK 130gr VLD with a BC of 0.620. I should be able to increase the 130gr bullet some but the 160gr bullet is at max. I want to try RL 33 but it has not shown up in the stores in my area yet.

Waiting for clarification!

Shod

For taking game at long range IMHO the 30-06 with a 208 A-Max has the weight and diameter to hit harder at distance than any smaller caliber.

You are wrong on that one at 500yards

Your Input Variables

Ballistic Coefficient 0.648 Velocity (ft/s) 2700 Weight (grains) 208
Maximum Range (yds) 500 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 100
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78

Ballistics Results - 3006

Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
vol ener
Muz 2700 3367 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2562 3032 0 0 0 0 0 0
200 2429 2725 -3.8 1.8 0.5 0 0 0
300 2299 2442 -13.5 4.3 1.2 0 0 0
400 2174 2182 -29.8 7.1 2.1 0 0 0
500 2052 1945 -53.4 10.2 3 0 0 0

Your Input Variables

Ballistic Coefficient 0.509 Velocity (ft/s) 3261 Weight (grains) 160
Maximum Range (yds) 500 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 100
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78

Ballistics Results - 264

Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
vol ene
Mu 3261 3778 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 3063 3332 0 0 0 0 0 0
200 2873 2933 -2.2 1.1 0.3 0 0 0
300 2692 2575 -8.7 2.8 0.8 0 0 0
400 2518 2253 -19.9 4.8 1.4 0 0 0
500 2351 1963 -36.6 7 2 0 0 0

You are assuming that diameter and mass take a back seat to energy and that is simply not the

Notice what happens to energy in an Inelastic collision, which a bullet strike is.

Using 2700fps 30-06 for the 208 a max at 800yards you have 1042 ft lbs and my 264 using 3261fps the 160gr ppsn has 1264 ft lbs.

Again you are attaching too much importance to energy and not enough to diameter and mass.

If you bothered to look at the diagram that I posted above it shows that kinetic energy is not conserved in this type of collision. Momentum is conserved in all collisions. Kinetic energy is calculated but not measured. Momentum is measured.

Sorry JWP... what your telling the guy doesn't apply as much as you think it does.

You might want to look at bullet drop also. But all in all my bullet will kill the deer just as dead at the same range as yours and at farther distances.

Bullet drop is a known quanty and is easily accounted for with a turret scope and ballistics targeting soft ware.

You have facts to back up your position?

Remember this sentence in the opening post?

Your calcs for the 208 seem a little low.

I'm shooting the 208 Amax at 2740 fps, at 4300' asl. Using Litz BC (G7 .324), my 800 yard ballistics are 1862 fps, and 1611 ft-lbs.

If I set MV at 2700 fps, and elevation to sea level, I'm still getting a calculated 1704 fps, 1342 ft-lbs at 800 yards.

I know from experience that a 85gr hollow point at over 3800fps from my 264wm at one hundred yards will penetrate a 2 inch thick free hanging boiler plate as much as a 300 win mag loaded to max with 200gr bullet. Been there and done that.

Speed penetrates steel the faster the better, Steel ain't flesh. The small bullet is also small on momentum and the farther you go the more important momentum becomes.

Yep.

And, how many people can run 160s at almost 3300fps from a standard .264 WM? That's an outlandish number, to me....

Tanner

Me too

wouldn't the velocity required for bullet "performance at range" be the important question? Ie; brand X bullet requires X amount of velocity to "open"? Don't think critters care how fat the bullet is that ruins their day or the caliber for that matter. Go ahead beat me up.