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Pat.

Originally Posted By: gitem_12
Originally Posted By: EthanEdwards
The problem here isn't people who are resisting. It is people who aren't resisting and get taken down anyway whilst the cop is yelling at them to quit doing something that they weren't doing anyway. A variant on this is when somebody is doing nothing wrong and they are assaulted by police.


How many people have you arrested?


I have 15 years experience arresting and putting people into handcuffs. It's been my observation that there is three main types of reactions of arrestees. 1 the mushy: these are the people who start to sob, try and barter their way out of the arrest, or wven start bawling aboit the arrest. The second is the passive resister: these types may tell you "no" while pulling their hands away, almost going into a fetal position, and often incorporate traits of both extremes. The third type, the active resister is the one who's body language, and vocalizations tell you he is likely to fight. Any type can become any of the others very quickly. Personally, at the first hint that someone is going to be combative, I take them to the ground, it's so much easier to control someone there than try and control a kicking, screaming, punching individual

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Interesting that in your listing, you allow no spot for the compliant arrestee who doesn't cry or whine.



****Gene, I sort of expected most would include that person in the first type.. That said most of the "i'll go peacefully" type usually do some form of whining.********

But it's MORE interesting that all it takes for one of your arrestees to be taken to the ground is for you to receive ANY sort of "hint" that the guy "might" be going to start resisting. In short,anyone NOT crying is at risk of being thrown to the ground when you are the arresting officer.

************ If you go back and read. i stated any hint of being combatitive, not resistant, and no those terms are not interchangable*********

********* no, I prefer to make the easiest arrest on all parties as possible, however if you look and act like you're gonna run/fight/ kick/scream/bite/any other action I may not mention, then yes i'm going make it clear thati'm in control and get you into cuffs as quickly and safely for both of us as possible. If that means taking someone to the ground to gain control over them so be it. They had the opportunity to place their hands behind their back and be compliant. If at all possible i'm going to minimize the opportunity for them to blind side/sucker punch me, or make a play for my weapon

A literal reading of your post explains exactly why a cop would be shouting "stop resisting" while assaulting a person he is arresting.

Shouting "stop resisting" is a training thing. It's said to gain conpliance, it's also said loudly so that potential witnesses can answer truthfully under oath that they heard the officer tell the defendant to stop resisting

*********** no one has any use for bad cops. But as said many many times on these posts. Bad cops are the exception. You yourself yourself that "county cops" 30-40 years ago were rough, IMO policing in genereal 30-40 years ago was a totally different game than now, I think cops today are better trained and better screened during the hiring peocess than any time in History


And that is the reason for the thread.

Thanks for clearing it up for us.[ unless what you wrote ain't really what you meant, in which case the thread can continue ]

*********** many on here seek cops that act more like robots than human, in an assumption that the cops will then be perfect, i suspect if those folks got their wish they would find themselves a lot less happy then than they are now

I tell every new guy I train, that the most powerful weapon he carries is discretion and he should become extremely proficient in it's use

lol

SOB, that made me laugh out loud in the office. Now the gals are staring at me.....

Randy, Pasadena... in those days... for a long hair dope smoker... wow I"m amazed you got out alive! LOL. Those days folks probably got ripped off or beaten on a daily occurrence.

And here we have folks saying its getting worse... I don't see how really... but I could be wrong.

All these cur pics and not a one like ours.... maybe he isn't even cur...

Whatcha got? A Blackmouth? Mine and Blue's are Cartahoulas.

I'm sure its party mutt, but from pictures, sure looks like blackmouth to us, sans the blackmouth....

Oops yeah, sorry no camo on deer hunting picture... sure I"ll get grief for what I wear hunting too next. LOL

BTW the best trailer I ever saw was a catahoula. That cracked eye crazy dog was unbelievable in S Tex brush. Its what made me want to see if this one might have an ounce of effort in him, since he was a stray for us anyway that got a new home. My Mom won't call him by his name, tiger, she just calls him lucky...and she is right.

You've gotta bring your A-Game to get one on Pat. I'm gonna go say the Pledge Of Allegiance and slap my wife on the butt now. I'm on fire.

Bkue's dog looks like a bona fide old time quality Leopard Cur instead of an old time Catahoula.

Yours looks like a ................. reindeer?

But it's MORE interesting that all it takes for one of your arrestees to be taken to the ground is for you to receive ANY sort of "hint" that the guy "might" be going to start resisting. In short,anyone NOT crying is at risk of being thrown to the ground when you are the arresting officer.




And that is the reason for the thread.

Thanks for clearing it up for us.[ unless what you wrote ain't really what you meant, in which case the thread can continue ] [/quote]

Now you are getting it, learn to read people, get the jump, or have a short career. Wait too long, get your ass kicked a few times, observe an additive change in yourself.

Like I said.... A Curdog Breed Standard exists only in a breeder's mind.

A fella named Carnathan in Tupelo Ms. used to sell a lot of "Blackmouth Curs". But Brindle, Ringnecks, Flop ears, etc. have NEVER been characteristic of BMC.

So... OL' Howard just started a separate registry for pups that come out like that. He called 'em Southern Curs.

So.... pups out of the same litter might be registered as different breeds.

Y'all may think that ain't important, but I was a fact witness in a Lawsuit down in Rusk County between Carnathan and Randy Wright.

When you get $$$$ as the primary motivation in breeding dogs, the quality of the dogs goes downhill quick.

Like I said....... I read his post LITERALLY. I wish more folks would read mine thataway.

So he is big. He is drunk. He was fighting, has been repeatedly arrested and is at least verbally combative. I don't see how questioning Eddie's version of politely submitting makes me a hypocrite. He sounds so credible.

I suggest Eddie's real problem is, first and foremost, ole Eddie. How many arrests are needed before, for the sake of anyone who might love this guy, he rethinks defining what it means to 'acquit himself nicely'?

'acquit himself nicely'.

Taken in context, it means he prevailed in the fight in the parking lot.

BTW.... If a couple of guys voluntarily go outside in a parking lot to fight each other, why is that the cops' business?

Are you a cop?

Reason I ask is 'cause I use the "watched users" function here to identify the forum members who are cops. It puts a little magnifying glass next to their names when they post.

I'd hate to leave you out if you belong.

And.. up to now... Just about everyone who focuses on Ol' Eddie instead of the cops asinine behavior has one of them little magnifying glasses next to his name.

Added: It wasn't "Eddie's version".. it was mine. So... make it a hypothetical [it's not] and assume Eddie offers no resistance. Are the cops still justified just because he's a drunk?

I know what you meant and only have a problem wit hit in that it seems to keep on happening to this guy.

No, not a cop or even close. I am conversing- not screaming or anything and will work on coming across better. I don't think we are really so far off from each other and yes it makes a difference if it isn't Eddie's version.

I do hear what you are saying and agree cops need to be held to high standards and don't condone abuse. They are just people and you get whatever\whoever you get on any day in any mood they are in. I remind myself to respect the authority if not the man. I never give them a reason to beat me though some have irritated the sh*t outta me. I have surprised a few with blatant honesty and that seemed to carry some weight. They get lied to constantly and it has to be tiring.

I still think Eddie, or anyone who gets arrested and finds it just a normal day needs a look in the mirror before his problems will go away. I hope that happens. He and the cops will be better off for it. It won't excuse either but will avoid repeats.

By the way- you got me curious about Curs now. They are new to me.

Some truth right there. ^^^^^^^^

Here's one that looks like that yeller dog.



She had the same Brindle Sire my Brindle dog has and a BM dam.
She had allot of hunt in her but the Parvo got her. (And yes, I had her vaccinated before some loud mouthed know it all chimes in.)

RIP Penny