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Just read this, and it surely doesn't jibe with the public perception of our founding fathers. It most definitely was a different world back then. Founding Fathers
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Not really news for anyone that has delved into the founding fathers much.
Too bad making good whiskey has turned into such a revenue generating and regulated paycheck for the government.
I doubt the founding fathers had that in mind, since they stood for less taxation, and more freedom.
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No just the people that wanted to give back the land,an money an what ever else back .These were called Democrats .
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Not really news for anyone that has delved into the founding fathers much.
Too bad making good whiskey has turned into such a revenue generating and regulated paycheck for the government.
I doubt the founding fathers had that in mind, since they stood for less taxation, and more freedom. I've heard about a lot of it before, especially George Washington, who was the largest whiskey producer in the US.
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The name of Samuel Adams is well known too.
He would roll over in his grave to see what the company has become with their liberal rainbow BS.
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I've been there and seen Washington's operation. Also, bought some of his rock gut from the distillery shop. It's horrible.
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...it surely doesn't jibe with the public perception of our founding fathers. I'm wondering what is your perception of them. The notion that virtuous men have to be teetotalers is a modern idea based around the brainwashing of groups like the WCTU and various puritanical churches from the early 20th century. Until that time drinking wasn't considered to be a bad thing and a gentleman would be expected to imbibe pretty liberally. These were men that went to war against the greatest military of the time and won. I would expect them to be hard drinking, hard living men. If they were otherwise we'd still be subjects of the Queen. I'll bet some of them even said a cuss word every now and then, perish the thought!
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I wanna be like ol' Ben Franklin! 
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The Temperance movement and lots of modern religious ideas about drink were fueled in large part by a reaction against chronic drunkenness rampant in America at the time.
To the extent that the times were exceptionally violent and rowdy, it was in large part, due to the fact that everyone went around stewed to the gills ALL THE TIME. Every adult walked around literally more than half drunk all day.
Most of the killings, feuds, violent crimes and the like were almost always between people who were drunker than skunks.
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Didn't mean to imply that it was MY perception of them, as I know better. I meant all the goody two shoes that uphold them as virtuous men. Moral men, yes. Virtuous? Not so much.
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The Temperance movement and lots of modern religious ideas about drink were fueled in large part by a reaction against chronic drunkenness rampant in America at the time.
To the extent that the times were exceptionally violent and rowdy, it was in large part, due to the fact that everyone went around stewed to the gills ALL THE TIME. Every adult walked around literally more than half drunk all day.
Most of the killings, feuds, violent crimes and the like were almost always between people who were drunker than skunks. Yeah, all that government regulation really solved that problem didn't it? I somehow don't buy the mass drunken brawl story... However, that is what the temperance movement ladies shouted.
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Can't say. I'm old, but not old enough to have hung with those boys. One might ask McCain though.
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...it surely doesn't jibe with the public perception of our founding fathers. I'm wondering what is your perception of them. The notion that virtuous men have to be teetotalers is a modern idea based around the brainwashing of groups like the WCTU and various puritanical churches from the early 20th century. Until that time drinking wasn't considered to be a bad thing and a gentleman would be expected to imbibe pretty liberally. These were men that went to war against the greatest military of the time and won. I would expect them to be hard drinking, hard living men. If they were otherwise we'd still be subjects of the Queen. I'll bet some of them even said a cuss word every now and then, perish the thought! this pretty much....and in alreality for their day the founding fathers didnt stand out from the crowd....everyone drank though part of that came from the notion that water would make you sick, which in those days often would though the water in the US was ALOT better than in Europe where the whole idea got stuck in peoples heads....so everyone, including kids drank alcohol, though the youngins mainly drank "small beer" and ciders that had lower alcohol levels because it is what was considered safe to drink.... now with that in mind imagine what you would have to drink to be labeled the town drunkard
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If they were drunks and managed to pull off a successful revolution, come up with the Constitution, and start our nation, then I'd really HATE to see what our leaders today are taking...
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Not really news for anyone that has delved into the founding fathers much.
Too bad making good whiskey has turned into such a revenue generating and regulated paycheck for the government.
I doubt the founding fathers had that in mind, since they stood for less taxation, and more freedom. Well actually regs. started with G. Washington and the whiskey rebellion. George didn't like his competition(moonshiners out in the hinterlands) stealing business and not paying the tax put on the sale of liquor so he conscripted a bunch a guys to go kick some hillbilly aZZ. http://www.mountvernon.org/research-collections/digital-encyclopedia/article/whiskey-rebellion/AS far as alcohol goes it's been down hill from there.
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Imagine yourself with a slight buzz, maybe not so much that someone who doesn't know you would notice, but enough to remove some of the inhibitions you might otherwise have. Now, imagine everyone around you being the same way. Imagine everyone carrying guns. And imagine a much more highly defined sense of honor in which the barest slight was not to be tolerated but answered immediately.
Honestly, it is amazing that things weren't more violent.
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The name of Samuel Adams is well known too.
He would roll over in his grave to see what the company has become with their liberal rainbow BS. Are you referring to Sam Adams beer? If so, I don't think the historical Sam Adams ever had anything to do with that company. As I recall, it was just a name they used for the brew....
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Not really news for anyone that has delved into the founding fathers much.
Too bad making good whiskey has turned into such a revenue generating and regulated paycheck for the government.
I doubt the founding fathers had that in mind, since they stood for less taxation, and more freedom. I've heard about a lot of it before, especially George Washington, who was the largest whiskey producer in the US. and, Mt. Vernon still operates a distillery - interesting part of visit. see: http://www.mountvernon.org/the-estate-gardens/distillery/
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A bit off subject, but my most long-lasting memory of visiting Mount Vernon was a recipe for roast pig that appeared in George's cook's hand-written recipe book - the measure of when the pig was done was when its eyeballs fell out.
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The Founding Fathers, in spite of the drinking situation and their inebriated condition such as it was, did some amazing things, way ahead of their times. I'm still in awe of them.
Maybe even more so...
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