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I don't think we're going to resolve this amongst ourselves, and even if we did nobody with power would care. We're pissing in the wind here.
They allow us our little toys and distractions, like the internet, for now.
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IF and a big IF that happened EXACTLY like you stated, it's likely that it happened just because you acted like an aroggant azz hole When did becoming an arrogant azz hole become against the law? It's just the same old mantra....... Be respectful to the cop and he will be respectful to you.... . Like they are all cloned. A hell of a lot more than the "ten percent" figure they throw around are really screwed up individuals. Who in hell takes a job where you are required to butt in someone's business where you have no dog in the fight? I have some friends in Law Enforcement, but it's obvious to me, and our mutual friends, that they think differently from the rest of us. The idea of "live and let live" is a foreign concept. Those DUI checkpoints don't run themselves. As long as the Government can find people willing to mistreat their fellow citizens for wages that don't really amount to much, we will be mistreated.
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I have always found it funny how many "conservatives" think nothing of checkpoints. But by God, you tell 'em they can only have 10 rounds in a magazine and watch them schit chickens.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Wait until somebody gets busted for a hi cap mag a cop finds in a DUI checkpoint in a state with 10 round max.
So many conservatives on this site are going to be so conflicted.
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DWI Checkpoint Loophole? Legit or get Tazed by Officers..? Couldn't tell ya. Checkpoints are illegal in the Free Republic of Alaska. We bag our DUIs the old fashioned way. We look for signs of impaired driving.
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People fought and bled for your constitutional rights. Cops hate the Constitution. they'd be so happy if it wasn't there. Kinda like the Nazi Germany days we seem to be slipping into. The more you type, the faster your stupidity becomes public knowledge. Hint...... Why is he stupid? We have the GCA 68 on the books which is based off the German gun law of 1938. Police support the GCA 68 and the exemptions it grants them.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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Wait until somebody gets busted for a hi cap mag a cop finds in a DUI checkpoint in a state with 10 round max.
So many conservatives on this site are going to be so conflicted. No conflict at all. If it happens during a democrat administration there will be outrage. If it happens during a Republican one we will support it since laws need to be enforced.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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IF and a big IF that happened EXACTLY like you stated, it's likely that it happened just because you acted like an aroggant azz hole When did becoming an arrogant azz hole become against the law? It's just the same old mantra....... Be respectful to the cop and he will be respectful to you.... . Like they are all cloned. A hell of a lot more than the "ten percent" figure they throw around are really screwed up individuals. Who in hell takes a job where you are required to butt in someone's business where you have no dog in the fight? I have some friends in Law Enforcement, but it's obvious to me, and our mutual friends, that they think differently from the rest of us. The idea of "live and let live" is a foreign concept. Those DUI checkpoints don't run themselves. As long as the Government can find people willing to mistreat their fellow citizens for wages that don't really amount to much, we will be mistreated. Fortunately, very few officers have the mindset of a Frank Serpico.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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DUI checkpoints should be limited to DUI, felonies or violent infractions. No tickets for registration or other BS. Locals Stateboys set up on a certain back road and check paperwork. Makes me feel like 1943 in Paris or Berlin, and not Berlin Pa. Pisses me off and everyone I mention it to looks at me like I am nuts. I thought there was a little thing about probable cause and unreasonable searches. This is not even DUI related, they do it in the early afternoon. I have told my wife the next time I see them I am going to turn around in the middle of the road and go a different way. They will probably chase and I will not run. She says she wont bail me out. Couple months ago I was told they were there, When I went looking they had left.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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In my opinion all checkpoints are unconstitutional.
The only exceptions being perhaps an Amber alert with a high probability of the child being in an area that could be contained or some other exigent circumstance.
Travis
If that's true, you don't have a problem with checkpoints violating people's rights. You just have a problem with what they're typically used for. I agree with your statement, and think most people here would. But agreeing with SOME checkpoints is the same stance the DWI guys have, just with different priorities.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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I've read some astoundingly stupid "legal" ideas before, but this one ranks way up there right off the bat.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Big difference. The Amber alert is in response to a particular crime.
DUI checkpoints are NOT in response to a crime.
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DUI checkpoints should be limited to DUI, felonies or violent infractions. No tickets for registration or other BS. Locals Stateboys set up on a certain back road and check paperwork. Makes me feel like 1943 in Paris or Berlin, and not Berlin Pa. Pisses me off and everyone I mention it to looks at me like I am nuts. I thought there was a little thing about probable cause and unreasonable searches. This is not even DUI related, they do it in the early afternoon. I have told my wife the next time I see them I am going to turn around in the middle of the road and go a different way. They will probably chase and I will not run. She says she wont bail me out. Couple months ago I was told they were there, When I went looking they had left. You live in Berlin PA?
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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If that's true, you don't have a problem with checkpoints violating people's rights. You just have a problem with what they're typically used for. I agree with your statement, and think most people here would.
But agreeing with SOME checkpoints is the same stance the DWI guys have, just with different priorities.
Pretty much. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Big difference. The Amber alert is in response to a particular crime.
DUI checkpoints are NOT in response to a crime. Right. But his contention is that you are still being stopped without Probable Cause. Which is correct. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Big difference. The Amber alert is in response to a particular crime.
DUI checkpoints are NOT in response to a crime. And if you are in agreement that checkpoints are ok IF a crime has been committed, then that would mean you agree with immigration checkpoints but oppose DWI checkpoints. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Big difference. The Amber alert is in response to a particular crime.
DUI checkpoints are NOT in response to a crime. And if you are in agreement that checkpoints are ok IF a crime has been committed, then that would mean you agree with immigration checkpoints but oppose DWI checkpoints. Travis Immigration checkpoints are NOT aimed at U.S.citizens. And no arrests for other than immigration offenses should be allowed at immigration checkpoints at any place other than the actual border. I O W ...... The searches should only be looking for people.
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An Amber Alert checkpoint is a violation of your 4th Amendment. It's just "for the children".
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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So I guess you'd refuse to participate in a roadblock to catch escaped convicts who'd just killed a cop?
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I'd throw up a roadblock if I thought it'd catch the killer of anybody, or to help a kidnapped kid. I already said that.
You're saying that some roadblocks are OK and some are blatant, corrupt violations of the 4th Amendment, which is an untenable position.
I'm saying they're all violations, but I'll violate my own conscience to save a kidnapped kid.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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