Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire VA Secretary Robert McDonald admits lying about Special Forces service

You run into all sorts that were Seals, Special forces.

What should they do to this guy, a gubbermint worker bee that lied?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...tedly-admits-lying-about-special-forces/

1. Send him through Seal training, with no option to quit.

2. Bury his dead ass.

3. Get a new VA Secretary, one who can tell the truth.

If he had honor, he would voluntarily resign his post.

Since he already proved that he does not, he will simply carry-on enjoying the benefits of a govt job.

Nothing really new. My dad was a WW-2 vet. He pointed out to me at least 30 years ago that in Europe for every soldier carrying a rifle there were 8-10 soldiers in support roles that never saw combat. I saw recently that in the Pacific the ratio was 18:1 since supply lines were so long and complex.

The odd thing he said, was that since the war he had never met another veteran who worked in a support role. All claimed to be combat veterans. What are the odds of that?

Dad by the way was attached to a medical unit. He never fired a shot, but did drive an ambulance up to the front lines to pick up wounded and bring them to hospitals in the rear.

I know that this is the Feds, but I worked for the Arkansas Highway and Transportation Department. It was found that the 2nd highest paid person in the Department lied about Her education, on Her paperwork when She hired on. She was fired immediately, and She just lacked 2 years having enough to retire. This is 28, at any age. In the paperwork that you fill out and sign, when you hire on, it states that you will be fired if any of this is found to be untrue. I would have thought that they would find a way around it given her years and position, but they did not. miles

I'd be more concerned about him lying about firing 60 employees at the VA, when he didn't.

I remember the 60 minutes piece on the guy.

Before you bury him for lying, I would consider what he is trying to do and who he is trying to do it for - he was tasked from the private sector as an executive from Proctor and Gamble to right the ship. He's a West Point grad as well

He's fired over 35 people in the VA scandal, and has pushed for new technology to support vets like the exoskeleton that enables paralyzed veterans to walk

If he gets fired for lying, OK but he's genuinely dedicated to helping veterans. He is far from a government worker bee.

now if that's a lie, then yea, Houston we have a problem.


I did find this reading up on him...................

"McDonald, a former Procter & Gamble CEO with no experience in the worlds of government or medicine, will presumably lean heavily into his managerial skills to make the changes he wants to execute. He estimates that as many as 1,000 employees may need to be fired for violating the VA’s values of “integrity,…advocacy,…respect,…[and] excellence.”

60 Minutes spoke with Secretary of Veterans Affairs Bob McDonald about his efforts to solve the systemic problems that led to a healthcare scandal.

However, terminating a government employee is much more elaborate than McDonald’s personnel decisions in the corporate world. Since in each situation a case for firing must be presented to an administrative judge, many employees were put on administrative leave to prevent them from doing further harm to the veterans they are supposed to serve."

I carry a set of dog tags in my wallet. They were my godfather's. He was a WWII vet who'd been in the United States Army Air Corps. I can remember, as a kid, in the fifties, asking what he'd done in the war. Dick would just smile and say, "Not much, I was just a test pilot." After he died, I came into his "stuff," including his military records; test pilot my azz. I don't know the number off the top of my head, but it's an extraordinary number of combat missions in the South Pacific. I guess he figured he could get away with saying he was a "test pilot" by virtue of the fact that he was his squadron's maintenance officer and thus must have "test flown" aircraft after repairs and maintenance work.

Two of my uncles had ships shot out from under them and one, (the black sheep who joined the Army) was in the Battle of the Bulge." I didn't find out any of this from them. My father was the youngest brother and my grandmother wouldn't let him quit high school to go in the service. By the time he got to Guam, the shooting had stopped (there.) He always regretted that, but never claimed otherwise. On my mother's side, her stepbrothers were decorated combat veterans, but as a kid, being taken fishing with them and spending time at camp with them, I never knew anything about it, never found out until after their deaths.

That's how that generation was.

Maybe have Jesse Ventura have a talk with him?

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"Mr. McDonald said on NBC this month that 60 people had been fired for their part in the misconduct, but the fact-checking website PolitiFact.com rated his statement as “false,” saying that fewer than 20 had been dismissed and that others had been disciplined.

The V.A. acknowledged that Mr. McDonald’s claim that his department has “fired” 60 people was incorrect.

“Regarding the 60 figure, it is most accurate to say that ‘V.A. has proposed disciplinary action related to data manipulation or patient care against more than 60 employees nationwide,’ ” an official said. That includes “the full range of accountability actions including admonishments, demotions, reprimands and termination.”


http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...s-for-embellishing-military-record/?_r=0

If any part of this administration is talking you can bet on one thing..


They are lying.

To be a combat veteran you have to meet criteria. It doesn't mean you have to be combat arms i.e. Infantry et.al. I know an NBC specialist who burned lice infested uniforms on Grenada and is a combat veteran and entitled to wear a combat patch despite never shooting or being shot at. I also know of a female Intelligence officer - Captain who didn't see a shot in Grenada but was also authorized to wear a combat patch. In the same operation there were Infantrymen who did receive fire but did not receive the CIB and were not entitled to wear a combat patch as they were not in a designated zone at the time.

During many occasions truck drivers, cooks and others were given a rifle and sent to the front lines to fight.

As to the current VA Secretary, when you have a trust issue already do you really want someone who has "trust problems"? There is no one else with the business acumen to do the job? Or maybe it is that there is no one else who is willing to conform to the administration and "do the job".

The world is crazy. My nephew, the Marine, got shot at more while in Haiti than he did in Fallujah. But he awards/recognition system isn't that precise. There are a lot of people who do not get the recognition they earned. But most just carry on.

Top 2%of his class at W.P. and a Captain in the 82nd Airborne (5yrs.) He may have done some training w/S.F. Jus sayin.

He acknowledged it as a lie but the Whitehouse said it was ok because he didn't mean to lie. They understand such things with a nuance that most aren't privliged to.

brian williams will back him up.....

He had admirable service. Why the need to lie about it?

He actually did not admit to lying about his service.

Emphasis mine:


It's as if Marie Harf or Jen Psaki wrote the statement for him.

It's "too nuanced".

He was only trying to bond with a vet--- what is the concern?