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Actually, if He created us all in His image and wants to save us all, yet created some specifically to torture and punish when He could have (and says elsewhere that He did) create us all to be the object of his unimaginable love and to share with us all eternity in His presence and His love, then yes, that would make Him a pyschopath or inconsistent in His message. Or, our translation of that message false and twisted for some reason of men (hmmm, the furtherance of a religion of men for power and greed, perhaps?). There really aren't any other options.

Why question mere mortals as to why God works in the mysterious ways that he does?

Are we questioning God, or the men who create religions and all the translations of God's Word for greed and power for themselves?

Translated into English: Some of that stuff just does not deserve to be believed.

I've viewed the thread as a bombardment to believers as to why does God do this, do that or the other, or don't do this, do that or the other. Nothing more.

No one can answer your examination as only God knows... I am admitting we do have a few on here that will in fact take a stab at answering why God does what he does..

Translation?



Oh, we certainly do have those. They are rather devout "Christians", too. Unfortunately, their interpretations all clash with one another. There's that whole clarity thing, which is abundantly clear.

Believe it or not.. Your choice.

Just how are these "prophesies"?
To list a few.

Priest. Lots of priests
King. Lots of kings
His zeal for God. Could describe a few here.
He pre-existed creation. That is a statement isn't it?
entered Jerusalem on a donkey. Either he rode or walked.
betrayed by a friend. Common.
accused by false witness. Common.
Mocked. Lots of mocking going on 24hr.
People stared at him. Who doesn't get stared at.
Became very thirsty. How did this make the list? Who doesn't?
Heart Broken. Common.
Raised from the dead. So some say.
ascended to heaven. So some say.
seated beside God. So some say.
All these "prophecies" and not one mentions his name?

So are you admitting you've chosen to believe things that don't deserve to be believed?

For some of us, that wouldn't be called a choice, it would be called ignorance.

For sure, by unbelievers, AS.

You are always free to take that first step into eternity and ask Him to come into your heart and set you free if He really exists.

Hey, if you ask and He doesnt, you have lost nothing.

Short answer, sure! Believers have suffered alot worse. I may even turn the other cheek, ... once.

Why do you assume I've never been to church or never tried any of these things?

GeoW.

I give you credit for standing up and owning it.

I disagree with this statement, made so often here. Belief is not simply a choice. People believe things for all sorts of reasons, often irrational ones. However, they have some sort of reason for believing. You cannot simply choose to believe something that you find unbelievable. Could you believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny right now, if you wanted to? No, your mind will not accept that. You could claim belief and act like you believed, which still wouldn't change the fact that you don't believe.

You study a theory or an idea, and depending on the information and evidence you discover, you either believe it or you don't. Its not a decision, it's simply what happens in your mind. You can choose how you respond to your belief(or lack thereof) but you can't choose whether to believe it or not.

There are many things I'd like to believe but simpy cannot, because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to allow my mind to believe it. There's things I wish I didn't believe, but I've seen too much evidence to not believe it.

Its very easy to condemn someone when you can simply say "they made a choice, let them deal with the consequences", and people do so love to condemn others. Its becomes more difficult to condemn someone when you realize that they are not simply choosing to believe differently than you, but have had a different life with different experiences that have led them to different beliefs.

If you were sincere in asking Him to come into your heart and He didnt, AS it's a situation of which i am sincerely sorry to hear.

Not possible as I understand it.

Amen.

Doc, there's not reason to feel sorry for me. As a natural skeptic, I'm more comfortable with a difficult truth then a comforting lie.

The Universe and our own biology are in a conspiracy to kill us, and eventually they will win. It doesn't matter if I like it or not, it's the truth. By knowing this truth, I can make more informed decisions regarding how I choose to spend my time on this earth. Perhaps this means I choose not to live in hurricane zones or on flood plains, and when I get sick I go to a doctor for treatment instead of a priest for prayers.

It's the only possibility, because no gods exist.

The only way you can intelligently say that is if you knew everything about everything and everywhere; which you don't. Thus you are displaying great arrogance.