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It's the only possibility, because no gods exist. The only way you can intelligently say that is if you knew everything about everything and everywhere; which you don't. Thus you are displaying great arrogance. So, the way you figure it, how many exist, one, or more then one?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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For sure, by unbelievers, AS. You are always free to take that first step into eternity and ask Him to come into your heart and set you free if He really exists. Hey, if you ask and He doesnt, you have lost nothing.  Why do you assume I've never been to church or never tried any of these things? If you were sincere in asking Him to come into your heart and He didnt, AS it's a situation of which i am sincerely sorry to hear. Doc, there's not reason to feel sorry for me. As a natural skeptic, I'm more comfortable with a difficult truth then a comforting lie. The Universe and our own biology are in a conspiracy to kill us, and eventually they will win. It doesn't matter if I like it or not, it's the truth. By knowing this truth, I can make more informed decisions regarding how I choose to spend my time on this earth. Perhaps this means I choose not to live in hurricane zones or on flood plains, and when I get sick I go to a doctor for treatment instead of a priest for prayers. My prayer is that you could meet someone full of God's love,and that you would know and understand that it was really God that caused them to love that way and made the difference in their life.A single profound experience is worth more than all the words we can type. My best to you my friend. Somehow I think you are seeking and would love to find something real. I truly hope you can find what you need.
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Many playing the part of a victim here... I haven't condemned anyone, yet you, xxclaro, say this;
"Its very easy to condemn someone when you can simply say "they made a choice, let them deal with the consequences", and people do so love to condemn others. Its becomes more difficult to condemn someone when you realize that they are not simply choosing to believe differently than you, but have had a different life with different experiences that have led them to different beliefs. "?
Your choice. I condemn no one. Matters not to me if you can deal with the consequences or not. You ain't got this Cracker to blame.
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You guys think if Rick re-opened the Christ at the campfire forum, that maybe you good Christians could try to get along so he dont have to shut it down again?
It'd give you all a nice place to preach/talk down to each other... What would you know about it? I never saw you down there. That's the one thing most every one who spouts off about CATC has in common. 
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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My prayer is that you could meet someone full of God's love,and that you would know and understand that it was really God that caused them to love that way and made the difference in their life.A single profound experience is worth more than all the words we can type.
My best to you my friend. Somehow I think you are seeking and would love to find something real. I truly hope you can find what you need. RH I've dated my share of good Christian girls.  What you describe happened in detail 30 some years ago. As for my search, yes I am continuously searching for knowledge and truth. Consequently, I've very comfortable with what I've found. It seem that what I need is different from what you need, but that's the great think about living in a country with an anti-establishment clause. I can follow the truth where ever it leads.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Many playing the part of a victim here... I haven't condemned anyone, yet you, xxclaro, say this;
"Its very easy to condemn someone when you can simply say "they made a choice, let them deal with the consequences", and people do so love to condemn others. Its becomes more difficult to condemn someone when you realize that they are not simply choosing to believe differently than you, but have had a different life with different experiences that have led them to different beliefs. "?
Your choice. I condemn no one. Matters not to me if you can deal with the consequences or not. You ain't got this Cracker to blame.
So, no condemnation, it's just a threat?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Maybe you do, maybe you don't, I'm just saying people love to condemn others. Its a very common human trait, not confined to religion. I suppose its a way of feeling better about oneself by finding fault with someone else's actions, being able to say "I'd never do that, therefore I'm superior". Not accusing anyone specifically, just saying its what people do. I know I've caught myself doing it often enough.
I don't really see anyone playing a victim here, just a discussion of idea's with differing points of view being offered. Actually I think its been surprisingly civil so far.
Now as to your last sentence "matters not to me if you can deal with the consequences or not", I find that interesting. It just seems kind of un-Christ like, for lack of a better term. I'm not asking anyone to be too concerned about which consequences I may or may not face, it just kind of conflicts with what I was taught in church, to love your neighbor as yourself and so on.
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It was unChrist like. I am a sinner. No denying that.
Old say'n goes, You can lead a horse to water.. horse best drink or thirst to death.. out of my hands.
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Originally Posted By Ringman
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It's the only possibility, because no gods exist.
The only way you can intelligently say that is if you knew everything about everything and everywhere; which you don't. Thus you are displaying great arrogance.
So, the way you figure it, how many exist, one, or more then one?
There's nothing to figure. Your question is a silly one. You would realize it if you gave it much thought. There can be only one Infinite.
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Originally Posted By Ringman
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It's the only possibility, because no gods exist.
The only way you can intelligently say that is if you knew everything about everything and everywhere; which you don't. Thus you are displaying great arrogance.
So, the way you figure it, how many exist, one, or more then one?
There's nothing to figure. Your question is a silly one. You would realize it if you gave it much thought. There can be only one Infinite. So your answer is one. I could list 1000 different gods from a thousand different religions, and you have just acknowledged you do not believe in any of them. So on this subject, the only difference between you and me, is I go one God further.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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So your answer is one.
I could list 1000 different gods from a thousand different religions, and you have just acknowledged you do not believe in any of them.
So on this subject, the only difference between you and me, is I go one God further. Again you are being silly. It doesn't make any difference how many of anything people believe in or don't believe in. There is only One Infinite. Anything less is, well less; therefore not God. The difference in you and me is you believe nothing became something and something became conscience containing self replicating systems. I on the other hand I logically believe nothing does nothing because there is nothing to do anything with. Since the universe appears infinite from our perspective, this then demands an Infinite Intelligent Energy Source.
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God works in the mysterious ways that he does? Translated into English: Some of that stuff just does not deserve to be believed. Believe it or not.. Your choice. I disagree with this statement, made so often here. Belief is not simply a choice. People believe things for all sorts of reasons, often irrational ones. However, they have some sort of reason for believing. You cannot simply choose to believe something that you find unbelievable. Could you believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny right now, if you wanted to? No, your mind will not accept that. You could claim belief and act like you believed, which still wouldn't change the fact that you don't believe. You study a theory or an idea, and depending on the information and evidence you discover, you either believe it or you don't. Its not a decision, it's simply what happens in your mind. You can choose how you respond to your belief(or lack thereof) but you can't choose whether to believe it or not. There are many things I'd like to believe but simpy cannot, because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to allow my mind to believe it. There's things I wish I didn't believe, but I've seen too much evidence to not believe it. Its very easy to condemn someone when you can simply say "they made a choice, let them deal with the consequences", and people do so love to condemn others. Its becomes more difficult to condemn someone when you realize that they are not simply choosing to believe differently than you, but have had a different life with different experiences that have led them to different beliefs. See the xxclaro statements in bold. I find them to be correct. Note that there has been mention made of the act of the Holy Spirit in the calling of a man to belief. The conviction of the Holy Spirit can be acted on or can be rejected. Seems to me that "belief" in Jesus comes after the "enlightenment, or conviction or calling or the showing about Jesus" of the Holy Spirit. TF
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For sure, by unbelievers, AS. You are always free to take that first step into eternity and ask Him to come into your heart and set you free if He really exists. Hey, if you ask and He doesnt, you have lost nothing. Been there done that, why is it so apparent to some and so elusive to others.
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For sure, by unbelievers, AS. You are always free to take that first step into eternity and ask Him to come into your heart and set you free if He really exists. Hey, if you ask and He doesnt, you have lost nothing. Been there done that, why is it so apparent to some and so elusive to others. Matthew 22:14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen." 
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For sure, by unbelievers, AS. You are always free to take that first step into eternity and ask Him to come into your heart and set you free if He really exists. Hey, if you ask and He doesnt, you have lost nothing. Been there done that, why is it so apparent to some and so elusive to others. Matthew 22:14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen." There goes that superiority complex again, and the contradiction between wanting to have a relationship with all and save all, and the "oh, schit, I just give a damn about a special few". Ergo, why religion is a fool's game made of and by men and corrupt to the core.
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The "special few" are not created special. They are those who accept God's invitation. Nice try Sean
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The "special few" are not created special. They are those who accept God's invitation. Nice try Sean Nope, not at all. Read back through this thread. It appears that the Christians can't even get their own story straight on what the Word means.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Originally Posted By Ringman
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god forgives everyone for their sins up until their very last air breathing moment if they find him in their hearts according to the bible right???????
The simple answer is a resounding "NO!" Read the Whole Book to get the facts. Jesus says,
"He who has believed and been baptized will be saved."
Look up the word, "repent" to see there is more than belief.
honestly
I don't put a lot of belief into the bible as being the complete true word of god
it has been so to speak ,cut copied pasted and edited way too many times since the formation of christainity and its adoption as the official roman state religion. by way too many people in power(popes,kings rich people with influence)to suit their needs and purposes when convienant for them.
do a little research into the council of rome and biblical canon councils for various branches of christainity formed thruout the ages and what branches of christainity have what books in their version of "their bible" for what reasons
that would be a good start for you I think
Edited by renegade50 (Today at 02:11 PM) You dodged out on your own post. Whether you put a lot or zero stock in the Bible, I responded to your false argument about forgiveness from God. I showed your error from Jesus and suggested you check for future reference so you don't make the same mistake again. The idea the Bible has been cut and pasted shows willful ignorance on your part. The Old Testament was translated from Hebrew into Latin 285 years before Jesus was born. Learn about the Dead Sea scrolls. turn a blind eye to fact............ the bible has been selectfully cut copied and pasted from all source materials by those who wanted it that way(man) since its inception that is a fact............ you need to do some research............................ and if ya still want to preach facts about the bible please explain something extremely simple why do why have a king james bible and why do have the NIV bible and why are they different in their context and who made them that way god made 2 different ones magically?????????? nuff said im outta this...............................
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Nope, not at all. Read back through this thread. It appears that the Christians can't even get their own story straight on what the Word means.
1 Timothy 2:3-4 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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Nope, not at all. Read back through this thread. It appears that the Christians can't even get their own story straight on what the Word means.
1 Timothy 2:3-4 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Directly contradictory with only a few chosen. Translation not required, because the Word of God is right there for us to read in plain text. Unless, of course, the Word of God has been corrupted by man for greed and power through the promulgation of religion.
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