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Dumbass Don talking about thinks he ca5 know again.
Sit down and shut up, Don. Let the hunters talk.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Maybe I can get two pigs with one 70gr TSX? Even a lowly 65gr Sierra put this deer down in pretty quick order: of course, the evil black rifle will further annoy Savage 99 And I'll bet thats not even an AI...... Nope and with a nitrided barrel, it probably never will get punched to AI. I guess this one could get punched, but I have not heard how well the AI feeds & extracts, in an AR... Or I should just leave it alone, and buy a RAR...
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Personally I feel better with a 'bigger' cf .22 but the deuce is not to be despised ... But those tiny little guns wouldn't pass muster on tough stuff, like African Game... Nice critters even if you did shoot them
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The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! deer run after they're shot? Since when? Exactamundo. What is this "runs off" you speak of?
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This one time, at band camp...
Ok it wasn't band camp, it was out back, but anyway,
I remember the image in my mind:
a big doe at a surveyed 208 yards (I am a surveyor - so I checked it out later) and I put one high in the boiler room, and she literally stiffened up - like she was frozen, and held that pose for what seemed like an eternity, although I knew it was only 4.476 seconds.
Then she fell over.
And right there, I remember what my health instructor said in high school.
"Always remember, son. Speed Kills"
true story.
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The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! deer run after they're shot? Since when? Exactamundo. What is this "runs off" you speak of? That is a pretty good question. Perhaps S99 needs a .270, if the recoil isn't too much for him...
"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
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Having used .22 calibers in killing between 60 and 70 head of big game, deer size, to me the most important factor is under what conditions will you hunt.. Long seasons, lots of game, little pressure, they work... It seems this thread comes up at least once a month..
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It seems this thread comes up at least once a month.. It's the menstrual cycle of debates.
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Don, and a few others, would have 'Chewing Gum' and 'Walking' as separate forums.
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As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue.
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Always, but I dont mind the debate when someone can be rational and explain why. The poster who mentioned the 500-700lb bears is a good example. I can feely admit I would want more mass and umph if that was a likely target of opportunity and I did not want to ruin a skull.
I also have some 55TTSX in the mail, will let you know how they work out. Out of curiosity I will kill some wet phone books with them and compare them to the 110TTSX out of the .270. I do miss the opportunity to use pigs for bullet testing but thankfully they have not made it to Montana yet.
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Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies.
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"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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I hear the common sense debate on the bear potential as a downside for 22 centerfire. I do have answers: OR
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That could open a whole nuther kettle of fish. I know scores of westerners who wouldn't dream on taking on a grizzly with a .30-30
But they feel the ultimate in confidence with their 44 magnums...( which have roughly half the power...)
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As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue. My experience killing deer with .22 CF's goes back to the 80's and amounts to roughly 40 deer. I think they're adequate when used with reasonable care and skill. I don't think they're the ultimate deerslayers and they do have their limitations/shortcomings. Contrary to popular opinion here, deer can and do run off after being well hit with .22 cal. bullets and often leave skimpy or nearly non existent blood trails. Hence they might not be the best choice in heavy cover for someone whose tracking skills are less than exemplary. Of course this evaluation in all honesty may not apply with the use of modern "super bullets" like TSX'S as I've never used them.
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Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF
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As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue. My experience killing deer with .22 CF's goes back to the 80's and amounts to roughly 40 deer. I think they're adequate when used with reasonable care and skill. I don't think they're the ultimate deerslayers and they do have their limitations/shortcomings. Contrary to popular opinion here, deer can and do run off after being well hit with .22 cal. bullets and often leave skimpy or nearly non existent blood trails. Hence they might not be the best choice in heavy cover for someone whose tracking skills are less than exemplary. Of course this evaluation in all honesty may not apply with the use of modern "super bullets" like TSX'S as I've never used them. BH your synopsis is right on.The 22s aren't the ultimate...the new bullets help immensely, but great care and not a little skill must be applied. In the right hands they are truly as good as anything, in the wrong hands they are as bad as anything.
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Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF That bottom pic is the same rifle with a more pedestrian stock.... Henceforth, we will be celebrating the Flame!
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF That bottom pic is the same rifle with a more pedestrian stock.... Henceforth, we will be celebrating the Flame! Figures you'd be a flamer...
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Jealousy is a sick passion......
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