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Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9679072 03/12/15
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	Dumbass Don talking about thinks he ca5 know again. Sit down and shut up, Don. Let the hunters talk. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

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Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9679203 03/12/15
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger
tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good!	Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by tex_n_cal Maybe I can get two pigs with one 70gr TSX? Even a lowly 65gr Sierra put this deer down in pretty quick order: of course, the evil black rifle will further annoy Savage 99 And I'll bet thats not even an AI...... Nope and with a nitrided barrel, it probably never will get punched to AI. I guess this one could get punched, but I have not heard how well the AI feeds & extracts, in an AR... Or I should just leave it alone, and buy a RAR... "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9679261 03/12/15
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hillbillybear Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 27,692 Western NC	Originally Posted by ingwe Personally I feel better with a 'bigger' cf .22 but the deuce is not to be despised ... But those tiny little guns wouldn't pass muster on tough stuff, like African Game... Nice critters even if you did shoot them Member: Clan of the Turdlike People. Courage is Fear that has said its Prayers �If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.� Ronald Reagan.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9679403 03/12/15
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by RWE Originally Posted by Savage_99 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! deer run after they're shot? Since when? Exactamundo. What is this "runs off" you speak of? Last edited by ingwe; 03/12/15. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9679418 03/12/15
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	This one time, at band camp... Ok it wasn't band camp, it was out back, but anyway, I remember the image in my mind: a big doe at a surveyed 208 yards (I am a surveyor - so I checked it out later) and I put one high in the boiler room, and she literally stiffened up - like she was frozen, and held that pose for what seemed like an eternity, although I knew it was only 4.476 seconds. Then she fell over. And right there, I remember what my health instructor said in high school. "Always remember, son. Speed Kills" true story.

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Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9679883 03/12/15
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger
tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good!	Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by RWE Originally Posted by Savage_99 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! deer run after they're shot? Since when? Exactamundo. What is this "runs off" you speak of? That is a pretty good question. Perhaps S99 needs a .270, if the recoil isn't too much for him... "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9679953 03/12/15
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WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,792 Likes: 1 Wyoming	Having used .22 calibers in killing between 60 and 70 head of big game, deer size, to me the most important factor is under what conditions will you hunt.. Long seasons, lots of game, little pressure, they work... It seems this thread comes up at least once a month.. Molon Labe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer WyoCoyoteHunter #9680912 03/13/15
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter It seems this thread comes up at least once a month.. It's the menstrual cycle of debates.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9681037 03/13/15
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Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1	Don, and a few others, would have 'Chewing Gum' and 'Walking' as separate forums. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Steelhead #9681256 03/13/15
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

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Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9681362 03/13/15
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varmintsinc Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad	Always, but I dont mind the debate when someone can be rational and explain why. The poster who mentioned the 500-700lb bears is a good example. I can feely admit I would want more mass and umph if that was a likely target of opportunity and I did not want to ruin a skull. I also have some 55TTSX in the mail, will let you know how they work out. Out of curiosity I will kill some wet phone books with them and compare them to the 110TTSX out of the .270. I do miss the opportunity to use pigs for bullet testing but thankfully they have not made it to Montana yet. Last edited by varmintsinc; 03/13/15. Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies. "In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer varmintsinc #9681376 03/13/15
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	Ive been testing the 55TTSX on pigs, and will do more next week... They seem to work "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9681392 03/13/15
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	I hear the common sense debate on the bear potential as a downside for 22 centerfire. I do have answers: OR

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9681405 03/13/15
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	That could open a whole nuther kettle of fish. I know scores of westerners who wouldn't dream on taking on a grizzly with a .30-30 But they feel the ultimate in confidence with their 44 magnums...( which have roughly half the power...) "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9682084 03/13/15
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Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,251 Likes: 4	Originally Posted by ingwe As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue. My experience killing deer with .22 CF's goes back to the 80's and amounts to roughly 40 deer. I think they're adequate when used with reasonable care and skill. I don't think they're the ultimate deerslayers and they do have their limitations/shortcomings. Contrary to popular opinion here, deer can and do run off after being well hit with .22 cal. bullets and often leave skimpy or nearly non existent blood trails. Hence they might not be the best choice in heavy cover for someone whose tracking skills are less than exemplary. Of course this evaluation in all honesty may not apply with the use of modern "super bullets" like TSX'S as I've never used them.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9682213 03/13/15
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Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,154 Likes: 3 Central Louisiana	Originally Posted by ingwe Ive been testing the 55TTSX on pigs, and will do more next week... They seem to work Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Blackheart #9682349 03/13/15
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by Blackheart Originally Posted by ingwe As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue. My experience killing deer with .22 CF's goes back to the 80's and amounts to roughly 40 deer. I think they're adequate when used with reasonable care and skill. I don't think they're the ultimate deerslayers and they do have their limitations/shortcomings. Contrary to popular opinion here, deer can and do run off after being well hit with .22 cal. bullets and often leave skimpy or nearly non existent blood trails. Hence they might not be the best choice in heavy cover for someone whose tracking skills are less than exemplary. Of course this evaluation in all honesty may not apply with the use of modern "super bullets" like TSX'S as I've never used them. BH your synopsis is right on.The 22s aren't the ultimate...the new bullets help immensely, but great care and not a little skill must be applied. In the right hands they are truly as good as anything, in the wrong hands they are as bad as anything. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9682358 03/13/15
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by ingwe Ive been testing the 55TTSX on pigs, and will do more next week... They seem to work Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF That bottom pic is the same rifle with a more pedestrian stock.... Henceforth, we will be celebrating the Flame! "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9682362 03/13/15
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by ingwe Ive been testing the 55TTSX on pigs, and will do more next week... They seem to work Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF That bottom pic is the same rifle with a more pedestrian stock.... Henceforth, we will be celebrating the Flame! Figures you'd be a flamer... Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer 4ager #9682412 03/13/15
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky	Jealousy is a sick passion...... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

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