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Atheism is a belief based on positing nothing of deity/"god"exists that is not observable. As a faith system, it is a "religion" in the way black is a color -- complete absence of light.
Jesus likened God's working to how wind is observed. You can see it working but not what it is. Oh science can explain wind. Religion was developed as a way to answer questions in the absence of science. Guess what, wind has mass.
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>>As an Atheist, you have to believe that ALL of them are wrong.
FWIW... Spellcheck capitalizes Atheist just as it does Christian, Jew, etc.<<
No, as an atheist I think that all of them are wrong because there is no evidence that any of them are right. Since there is no dogma associated with atheism, there is no "have to". It's just free thought. You either believe in a god(s), or you don't, and if you don't you are an atheist. The term atheist does not require one to not believe, it's the not believing makes one an atheist. You sound like an agnostic, not an atheist.
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There is no evidence that there is a god. One does not need faith to understand that. That's simply illogical. Those with faith have already been satisfied with the evidence for God. You just don't accept the evidence others have. So, yes, there is no evidence of god for you, but you don't represent a majority, but a quite small minority.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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There is no evidence that there is a god. One does not need faith to understand that. That's simply illogical. Those with faith have already been satisfied with the evidence for God. You just don't accept the evidence others have. So, yes, there is no evidence of god for you, but you don't represent a majority, but a quite small minority. Amen! I've never seen a more faithful group than Jihadists.
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You sound like an agnostic, not an atheist.
Agnostic doesn't care or is unsure while an Atheist believes there is no god. I'm sure there is no magical supreme being.
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you don't represent a majority, but a quite small minority. What does a majority or minority have to do with anything?
'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.' -Carl Sagan
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Amen again. My god can whip your god.
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Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
When in the Course of human events......
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Ok, there is Faith (as in meaning faith in religion) and faith (as in belief in anything without proof or evidence). It was in response the idea that atheists have faith. Atheists don't have faith in god.
"Agnosticism addresses knowledge; atheism addresses belief. The agnostic says, “I don't have a knowledge that God exists.” The atheist says, “I don't have a belief that God exists.” You can say both things at the same time."
I have neither knowledge or belief that god exists.
Faith definition per Merriam-Webster
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a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
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a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
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Im still waiting for wrong man to cite the Supreme Court case that states atheism is a religion....
If there is such a case, then I guess Im a religious man.
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I understand faith. It is a belief not based on anything certain. Faith is a promise. I have faith that I will wake up tomorrow, but I know that tomorrow is not guaranteed to any of us. Faith is confidence and trust, but faith can be misplaced. You can have faith that a plane won't crash when you step onto one (or else why would you do it) but we also know that sometimes they crash. That particular faith is based on an expectation gleaned from past experience, that most planes don't crash. Faith, by definition, is not certain.
Religious faith is not based on past experiences, it is based on stories told to us. Some native americans believed the earth was created by a turtle, some people believe in reincarnation, some believe god spoke thru a burning bush, some believe there is one god and some have faith there are many gods. These beliefs are all based on stories told us, with no facts to back them up. Are they all correct? Why are you so sure the stories told you are more correct then a Hindu's, or a Muslim's or a Jew? They all have faith. If you believe that other religions can have it wrong, why is it so hard for some of you to understand that some of us think that all religions can have it wrong? There's no more evidence for one over another - is there? This is nicely written and based on what seems to be sincere thought - but it is weak on more than one level and does not show that you actually do understand faith. Although faith does not base itself on established proof, it IS NOT in any way a promise. The only active agent in a faith relationship is the person who holds faith. It is not at all true that all religious faith is based on "stories told to us" or that all religious systems require some abstract belief/faith. Those statements are stretched - at best - maybe conveniently stretched in order to support your notes that ensue. In this post and later, it seems that you equate "belief" with "faith". As activated within an individual, are those really equal and the same? I think not. Do you? A piece written and read long ago - "The Dynamics of Faith", by Paul Tillich - seemed very helpful. Not needing Merriam-Webster thoughts here - waiting for yours.
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Im still waiting for wrong man to cite the Supreme Court case that states atheism is a religion....
If there is such a case, then I guess Im a religious man. Somebody cited it on a thread not long ago. But... the guy who made the claim to you should provide it again.
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IMHO, his use of Merriam -Webster to assist his thought process is no different than Bible verses being utilized (sometimes our of context) with no supporting thoughts/facts to back up a similar argument.
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I've expressed myself about as well as I can. Atheism is not a religion. Religions are based on a belief in a god or some other supernatural. Atheism is the opposite of religion. My personal belief is that some religious tenants have merit, but one doesn't need a belief in god to live a moral and worthwhile life. I believe religion in general is a concept developed by man to explain what he could not understand in a pre-science world and to control and make more predictable human behavior. I think it is illogical to believe in something in the total absence of proof. For those who say they have proof of god, well if that was the case there would be no need for faith. I would love to hear all about that proof though. Give it a try CCCC.
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IMHO, his use of Merriam -Webster to assist his thought process is no different than Bible verses being utilized (sometimes our of context) with no supporting thoughts/facts to back up a similar argument.
George Well, to have a meaningful discussion we have to have some accepted definition of terms used. Without it, we are just urinating in the wind. It can get kinda messy.
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so much stupidity and ignorance in the world....carry on
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If a person wants to call Atheism a religion, hey, knock yourself out..
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If a person wants to call Atheism a religion, hey, knock yourself out..
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so much stupidity and ignorance in the world....carry on You're right, but that's a bit of a non-sequitur.
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...rt-declares-secular-humanism-a-religion/"A federal district court in Oregon has declared Secular Humanism a religion, paving the way for the non-theistic community to obtain the same legal rights as groups such as Christianity. On Thursday, October 30, Senior District Judge Ancer Haggerty issued a ruling on American Humanist Association v. United States, a case that was brought by the American Humanist Association (AHA) and Jason Holden, a federal prisoner. Holden pushed for the lawsuit because he wanted Humanism — which the AHA defines as “an ethical and life-affirming philosophy free of belief in any gods and other supernatural forces” — recognized as a religion so that his prison would allow for the creation of a Humanist study group."
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Some court calling a pig a dog, don't make it a dog for anything but for legal purposes. Since when is the law always right?
It's been a fun discussion. Thanks all. Tho still waiting for the proof of a god from CCCC or whomever.
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