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Now the christian religions try to circumvent reasonable doubt by saying, "Blessed are those who believe, without seeing me." How has this blessing manifested itself? Do believers live longer? Are they healthier? Is there any measurable advantage for believers? Not that I've seen.

It's been a fun discussion. Thanks all. Tho still waiting for the proof of a god from CCCC or whomever.

The blessing manifests itself in the fact that you don't live in a totally nihilistic, socialist consumer-based society. We mostly do.The blessing manifests itself in the fact that charities exist. Atheists contribute to, run, and participate in charities too. If it weren't for God, human rights would be whatever the most powerful group says they are and no one would have an argument to counter that. Where was god in Nazi Germany? The blessing manifests itself in the thought that there is a certain base-level of dignity that every person is entitled to. Atheists can be moral and believe those things too. Are all such thoughts only in the heads of the religious?

Hospitals are a fruit of belief in God. If it weren't for the promise of an afterlife, why would anyone bother trying to extend life, to give themselves more time to perfect their spirituality? If christians are so certain of an afterlife why wouldn't they want to get there as soon as possible? We'd be like deer that try to avoid the wolf, but is easily surrendered once caught. You never hear of heroic deer. I've witnessed a doe kick a bobcat's butt that was after her fawn and I've heard of heroic dogs but they are god spelled backwards so that maybe why. Without God, there's no reason to be a hero beyond protecting your own offspring. There were never any atheist firefighters, soldiers, etc? Atheists don't care about their fellow man, is that really what you are saying???

That's just a couple of things I see. But then, I see magic in a sunset too. To me, the spirit world is like water around a fish. The fish may not know it's wet, but that doesn't mean it isn't.

I'm waiting for proof there isn't.


Psalm 19

1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands. (musta missed it)
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge. That too
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them. Guess that's why
4 Yet their voice[b] goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world. Ok??
In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun. Can't see it
5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course. Ok??
6 It rises at one end of the heavens
and makes its circuit to the other; Like a comet?
nothing is deprived of its warmth. It sure was a cold winter here.

Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV)

14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

One thing about being an atheist -- ya better hope you're right.

The question is whether, if presented with irrefutable proof, an atheist would believe in God. If the answer is yes, then they are not atheist, merely agnostic. Whether they are a god-seeking agnostic depends on the person.

I have many friends who are atheists, what I am, I'm not sure. Some atheists claim to be that, then live their lives in opposition to a religion versus simply living their lives based on their own other-than-religious beliefs. When an atheist lives their life in opposition to a religion (such as many atheist activists do), they in fact are dependent on religion to give themselves a shape - even if in a negative form. This idea is very similar to Julia Kresteva's notion of abjection. I respect the atheist who has no use for religion, but do not respect the atheist who feels the need to mock or belittle another person's belief system. Whether atheism is an actual religion doesn't matter, the fact that there is a sort of code (dogmatic or not) that shapes the way an atheist lives is close enough.

While Soviet Communism made atheism their official policy, they are not synonymous. There are plenty of religious communists. Actually, the Jesus character in the bible is a bit of a socialist.

If there were irrefutable proof of God (say he/she appears to all of us), there would be no more Atheists. Maybe we would all become instant followers of Buddah. We are still atheists now though as beliefs can and should change with proof. If the Buddah appeared before us all, would there still be Christians? I never got the atheist code book. Dang!

If a person wants to call Atheism a religion, hey, knock yourself out..

If a person wants to call Atheism a religion, hey, knock yourself out..

Agnosticism is a belief.

Atheism is a religion.

cooper57m,



Buddah died and stayed dead. Jesus died and then was later seen alive by as many as 500 people. Major difference.

The question is whether, if presented with irrefutable proof, an atheist would believe in God. If the answer is yes, then they are not atheist, merely agnostic. Whether they are a god-seeking agnostic depends on the person.

I have many friends who are atheists, what I am, I'm not sure. Some atheists claim to be that, then live their lives in opposition to a religion versus simply living their lives based on their own other-than-religious beliefs. When an atheist lives their life in opposition to a religion (such as many atheist activists do), they in fact are dependent on religion to give themselves a shape - even if in a negative form. This idea is very similar to Julia Kresteva's notion of abjection. I respect the atheist who has no use for religion, but do not respect the atheist who feels the need to mock or belittle another person's belief system. Whether atheism is an actual religion doesn't matter, the fact that there is a sort of code (dogmatic or not) that shapes the way an atheist lives is close enough.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...rt-declares-secular-humanism-a-religion/


"A federal district court in Oregon has declared Secular Humanism a religion, paving the way for the non-theistic community to obtain the same legal rights as groups such as Christianity.
On Thursday, October 30, Senior District Judge Ancer Haggerty issued a ruling on American Humanist Association v. United States, a case that was brought by the American Humanist Association (AHA) and Jason Holden, a federal prisoner. Holden pushed for the lawsuit because he wanted Humanism — which the AHA defines as “an ethical and life-affirming philosophy free of belief in any gods and other supernatural forces” — recognized as a religion so that his prison would allow for the creation of a Humanist study group."

Sure and all the graves opened and the saints walked around. Of course that only show up in one of the Gospels, and I see no reason to believe that either.

Atheism is a belief, theory and a philosophy arguably intending to explain man's origin, his core nature and his future.

This is religion, right?