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Try federal match, hornady match, black hills, asym, pretty much any good brand of ammo that uses a "match" projectile. I'd try and find a load that worked well with a 75/77gr bullet.
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Fiddy, I just logged back on after a while and saw your PM. Sounds like you've got it worked out already.
I've heard some good reviews about the CBC 77grain load and that's it's a cheaper alternative.
Depending on the distance you want to shoot at, Atlanta Arms has a 60grain VMax load that's cheaper than most "precision" loads and has been very accurate in several rifles for us.
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I'm looking to buy/build an AR that will end my desire for an accurate .223/5.56.
Here's what I'm thinking:
Money is always a consideration, but I'm not looking to skimp. I would like to keep the cost under 2500, excluding glass, but lower if possible. Accuracy trumps all of my desires, but have no time to hand load. I'm looking to shoot factory match ammo to around 300 yards with setup that will outshoot me.
My preference, if only for simplicity reasons, would be to purchase a completed rifle from a company like JP so I don't have to deal with making one from pieces. Some say that's a gross waste of money (it's about 3500 for their billet receiver model, target stock, etc.). If you suggest building one (or having it built), what/who would you recommend? Would a gunsmith be necessary? Where on the gun should money be saved, and where should it not be spared?
I've shopped around a bit and listened to a lot of talk. Everyone seems to have a different opinion - all with equal conviction - which is not helpful. Please post some fact-based or experience-based advice here, I'd be grateful.
Thank you
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just buy a 500.00 ar it may shoot as good as the one you spend 2k on.
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I've never seen a 500 buck one shoot as well as a well built one with the best barrel you can buy. Ever. But a 500 buck one might shoot as well as whatever your demands are.
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I've never seen a 500 buck one shoot as well as a well built one with the best barrel you can buy. Ever. But a 500 buck one might shoot as well as whatever your demands are. On a recent range trip, there were at last 30 guys at the range with AR's, and I was the only person actually shooting groups. There was some expensive AR on the line and not one of them would of been able to tell the difference in accuracy between a .5 and a 2k rifle. Of course, if you know what you are doing, a good barrel will make a difference.
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Not everyone shoots for the same reasons and group size isn't always what determines price. Lots of shooters could care less what kind of accuracy they can squeeze out of their rifles, this may be why the mini-14 still has its following.
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i have plenty of tack driving rifles but i don't consider any ar15 to be one of them. i've owned armalite,stag,daniel defense,colt,remington,dti,s&w,sig sauer,dpms and a few others. to me they all the same.i do gun shows and get to play with them all.
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You are correct, reloading does have a lot to do with it. I purchased a Rock River arms Lar 15 last year, I have tried several powder/bullet combinations and almost all of them shoot under one inch at 100 yards, one of my loads shot a group measuring .295, same load shot a 300 yard group measuring 1.9 inches.
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Fiddy, I just logged back on after a while and saw your PM. Sounds like you've got it worked out already.
I've heard some good reviews about the CBC 77grain load and that's it's a cheaper alternative.
Depending on the distance you want to shoot at, Atlanta Arms has a 60grain VMax load that's cheaper than most "precision" loads and has been very accurate in several rifles for us. Thanks a lot for the information! I already received my shipment of R&D ammo but will definitely be trying some others down the road, and I will refer back to your suggestion.
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You are correct, reloading does have a lot to do with it. I purchased a Rock River arms Lar 15 last year, I have tried several powder/bullet combinations and almost all of them shoot under one inch at 100 yards, one of my loads shot a group measuring .295, same load shot a 300 yard group measuring 1.9 inches. Do tell!
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I'm a big fan of Wilson Combat and their match grade barrels (fluted, or unfluted, it doesn't matter). Last year I had them build me a 16" upper chambered in 300 AAC Blackout for taking pig and Axis deer and what I received is a sub-moa tack driver. Their custom shop is great - they installed my Geissele rail and barrel nut and still certified it as a complete Wilson upper covered by their warranty. Sure it was a bit pricy, but I couldn't be happier.
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there are cheaper routes that will be less costly than the big names and shoot as well or better, but if you are happy wiht the results and the expenditure thats all that matters.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/9957234#Post9957234Guys Thanks again for all the suggestions on the gun and the ammo. I went out for maiden R&D today. Results are posted in the thread link above, although I didn't go into much detail there with the various ammo I tried. I bought a range of manufacturers with boolit weights from 52 to 77. Wish I'd have bought more BH 69MKHP while it was $10 off a box of 50 
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If you want to buy the most accurate AR15 in .223, and your budget is under $2500, Les Baer is the way to go. My Les Baer Super Varmint will shoot 1/4" 5-shot groups all day long! It's not only the most accurate AR-15 I own, it's the most accurate Rifle I own.
My choice for a lower priced Accurate Factory AR would be one if the Rock River heavy barrel models. JMO, though. For whatever it's worth. LB SV without the PRS stock option is $2640. He's a reassuring man to talk to - not to mention the .5 MOA guarantee (which he says he NEVER has anyone return guns over). He also says his the gun will do two .25 MOA 5-shot groups back to back. Not saying I can do that. Said 1:9 20" will spit 69-grain Fed Gold Match out to 900 yards. He said having them build the entire gun will help ensure accuracy, since they hand-fit everything. Are you gunnin just the upper? What ammo? Only an idiot would shoot 69s at 900 yards. I wont' even shoot em at 300 anymore since there are much better bullets. I've shot 69s at 600 before.. it ain't fun. At 900 it would be a waste of time. Building the entire gun does help just a tiny bit. On the order of about 0.10 group size less at 300 yards on 10 shot groups. I'm an idiot. I have that same rifle and it will same hole five shot groups with the 69 gr if you can shoot that good, which I can't. Personally I don't care much for eating paper anyway and Prairie dogs don't seem to know the difference between 40,50,69 or 77 gr bullets.
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Well, rock on with 69s at 900. enjoy the headaches...
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Well, rock on with 69s at 900. enjoy the headaches... I don't follow.
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Well, rock on with 69s at 900. enjoy the headaches... I don't follow. He is just being a little on the sarcastic side about trying to shoot 900 yards with the 69 gr bullets. He means they aren't the best weight or just to light for this type longer range shooting
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