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Originally Posted by antlers

Pedro Oregon was shot 12 times "from behind" by members of the Houston Police Department while he was lying face down on the floor of his apartment with his arms and hands out in front of him. They had raided his apartment on a drug tip. They didn't find any drugs in the apartment or on or in the dead mans body. None of the officers went to jail. I lived down there at the time this happened. For you to deny that stuff like what I posted 'does' happen is not surprising.


I guess Janet Reno covered that one up, right? For you to suggest that this kind of thing is common is far less surprising than my denial of anything. Sometimes you just got to come out of fantasy land, as fun as it is for you.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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Pedro Oregon was shot 12 times "from behind" by members of the Houston Police Department while he was lying face down on the floor of his apartment with his arms and hands out in front of him. They had raided his apartment on a drug tip. They didn't find any drugs in the apartment or on or in the dead mans body. None of the officers went to jail. I lived down there at the time this happened. For you to deny that stuff like what I posted 'does' happen is not surprising.


I guess Janet Reno covered that one up, right? For you to suggest that this kind of thing is common is far less surprising than my denial of anything. Sometimes you just got to come out of fantasy land, as fun as it is for you.


It doesn't happen very often at all. But, when it does these guys are caught.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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Pedro Oregon was shot 12 times "from behind" by members of the Houston Police Department while he was lying face down on the floor of his apartment with his arms and hands out in front of him. They had raided his apartment on a drug tip. They didn't find any drugs in the apartment or on or in the dead mans body. None of the officers went to jail. I lived down there at the time this happened. For you to deny that stuff like what I posted 'does' happen is not surprising.

I guess Janet Reno covered that one up, right? For you to suggest that this kind of thing is common is far less surprising than my denial of anything. Sometimes you just got to come out of fantasy land, as fun as it is for you.

No, the local DA sent it to the grand jury with the recommendation of 'no charges'. Curdog has posted other instances on this thread of police flat out murdering people and none of em' going to jail. And it's easy to find countless incidences of such in this country. But it's easier, and not surprising at all, for you to toss out "fantasy land" statements than it is to admit the truth.


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Okay, post some of those "countless instances" that have happened recently.


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More Birdwatcher psychobabble....

Its always interesting to me how fundamentally similar Cop/public interactions are to Teacher/student interactions on a big high school campus (where most of the students are not personally known to the teacher). The big difference being of course teachers don't have the means to resort to deadly force or even hardly any force, said force such as it is employed only under rare and specific circumstances.

In the heat of the moment the fundamental error that Cop made was that he wanted to win. The perp had just won the first round involving the tazer and was getting away, so the Cop without thinking it through reached for the next object in his belt and escalated.

When me or any teacher gets into it with some kid, its natural to want to "win" too, and escalate until you do. In most such situations there's no real point; let the kid run off and evade, it ain't like you can't find out who he is and get him tomorrow or next week whatever.

Likewise, this victim was hardly anonymous, most likely the usual steps had been gone through for a regular traffic stop, and even if no ID had been obtained, surely the car would prob'ly do it, one way or another.

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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Okay, post some of those "countless instances" that have happened recently.

Those instances are easy enough to find officer, as you well know. For those who are 'really' interested, they can start by simply looking up 'police shootings of unarmed civilians'.


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What's this cop gonna get?

I don't think murder 1 is in play. My guess is manslaughter and 50 years, or something similar. If he's lucky he'll get paroled about the time he can enjoy his grand kids.


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They'll make an example of him.

Not a good time to be him...


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Hardly.

Again, those instances are easy enough to find for those who are 'truly' interested in reading about em'. You're not.

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Originally Posted by MadMooner
What's this cop gonna get?

I don't think murder 1 is in play. My guess is manslaughter and 50 years, or something similar. If he's lucky he'll get paroled about the time he can enjoy his grand kids.


I fore see a large gaping anal cavity in his future and a rectum that spills down his pants leg every time he laughs hard...
Which won't be often.


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Yup and he deserves it IMO.


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Originally Posted by MadMooner
What's this cop gonna get?

I don't think murder 1 is in play. My guess is manslaughter and 50 years, or something similar. If he's lucky he'll get paroled about the time he can enjoy his grand kids.


Probably not a lot in State court, no more than anybody else that kills somebody in an unpremeditated fashion, with a clean record. The Feds will get him too though, that is the difference.


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I'm betting he ends up dead before the year is up.

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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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What's this cop gonna get?

I don't think murder 1 is in play. My guess is manslaughter and 50 years, or something similar. If he's lucky he'll get paroled about the time he can enjoy his grand kids.


Probably not a lot in State court, no more than anybody else that kills somebody in an unpremeditated fashion, with a clean record. The Feds will get him too though, that is the difference.


I've seen the feds play a part in the State's prosecution before with cases like this. They give the state prosecutor an acceptable sentence to them to avoid the federal civil rights prosecution. Usually worked out as a plea deal. The guy takes the deal that keeps the state and feds happy, then everything is OK.

If the state prosecutor or the guy doesn't take the deal, then the feds will prosecute him themselves.


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Go back and listen to the audio...
There's a break between the 7th and 8th shot.
There were 5 hits.
4 in the back and one in the ear.
I think he didn't drop so the cop paused, raised his point of aim and took a head shot.
Just listen to the audio again.
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When I was a lad I was around a bunch of sheriff deputies, I was the head of my Explorer unit and dated the daughter of a deputy for 2 years.

I spent many an hour riding with them and when I see this I know exactly how it would have played out with anyone of them that I knew.

When he began to run, wattle away, they would have laughed a little at first, yelled 'Where you going fat boy' then jogged up from behind and tripped him. I didn't know a guy at the time that would have ever thought 'SHOOT'


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
We really try to keep the ".45 is far superior to the 9mm" guys out of police work. This is what happens when one actually gets in. We just assume that the military would weed out the nuts.


Well, Pat, the Dep't he worked for sure passed up a golden opportunity to "weed him out in 2013 :




NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. – The South Carolina police officer charged with murder after video surfaced of him shooting a fleeing unarmed black man in the back was allowed to stay on the force despite an earlier complaint that he used excessive force against another unarmed man.

In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Mario Givens recounted Wednesday how he was awakened before dawn one morning in September 2013 by loud banging on the front door of his family's North Charleston home.

On his front porch was Patrolman Michael Thomas Slager, the white officer now charged in the shooting death of Walter Lamer Scott following a traffic stop over a broken taillight. The latest case of a white police officer killing an unarmed black man grabbed international attention this week after a video recorded by a bystander showed Slager firing eight times as Scott ran away.

The uproar over Scott's death comes amid a plunge in trust between law enforcement and minorities after the officer-involved killings of other men, including Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and Eric Garner on Staten Island, New York, which have triggered nationwide protests. Cases involving white officers have come under particular scrutiny.

Wearing only a T-shirt and boxer shorts, Givens, who is also black, said he cracked open his door and asked the officer what he wanted.

"He said he wanted to come in, but didn't say why," said Givens, now 33. "He never said who he was looking for."

Then, without warning, Slager pushed in the door, he said.

"`Come outside or I'll tase you,"' he recalled the officer saying as he burst in. "I didn't want that to happen to me, so I raised my arms over my head, and when I did, he tased me in my stomach anyway."

He said the pain from the stun gun was so intense that he dropped to the floor and began calling for his mother, who was also in the home. At that point, he said another police officer came into the house and they dragged him outside and threw him to the ground. He was handcuffed and put in the back of a squad car.

Though initially accused of resisting the officers, Givens was later released without charge.

"It was very devastating," said Bessie Givens, 57, who was awaked by her son's piercing screams. "You watch your son like that, he's so vulnerable. You don't know what's going to happen. I was so scared."

It turned out that the police officers had gone to the family's home at the behest of his brother's ex-girlfriend, who earlier reported awakening in her nearby house to find Matthew Givens in her bedroom, uninvited. She said he left when she began screaming, and she dialed 911.

That woman, Maleah Kiara Brown, told The AP in an interview on Wednesday that she and a friend had followed the police officers over to the Givens home and were sitting outside as Slager knocked on the door. The second officer had gone around to the back of the house.

She had provided the officers with a detailed description of Matthew Givens, who is about 5 feet, 5 inches tall. Mario Givens stands well over 6 feet.

"He looked nothing like the description I gave the officers," Brown said, referring to Mario Givens. "He asked the officer why he was at the house. He did it nicely. The police officer said he wanted him to step outside. Then he asked, `Why, why do you want me to step outside?' Then the officer barged inside and grabbed him."

Moments later, she saw the police officers drag Givens out of the house and throw him in the dirt. Brown said she kept yelling to the officers they had the wrong man, but they wouldn't listen. Though Givens was offering no resistance, she said she saw Slager use the stun gun on him again.

"He was screaming, in pain," she said. "He said, `You tased me. You tased me. Why?' It was awful. Terrible. I asked the officer why he tased him and he told me to get back."

She said she later told a female police supervisor what she had seen.

"He was cocky," she said of Slager. "It looked like he wanted to hurt him. There was no need to tase him. No reason. He was no threat -- and we told him he had the wrong man."

Angered by what happened, Mario Givens went downtown to police headquarters the following day and filed a formal complaint. He and his mother say several neighbors who witnessed what happened on the family's front lawn also contacted the police, though they say officers refused to take their statements.

The incident report from that night filed by Slager and the other officer, Maurice Huggins, provides a very different version of events. In the report, obtained by the AP through a public records request, Slager wrote that he could not see one of Givens' hands and feared he might be holding a weapon. He wrote that he observed sweat on Givens' shirt, which he perceived as evidence he may have just run from Brown's home, and then ordered him to exit several times.

When Givens didn't comply, Slager said he entered the home to prevent him from fleeing, and was then forced to use his stun gun when Givens struggled against him. According to the officers' report, the two Givens brothers are described as looking "just alike."

After Mario Givens filed his complaint, the department opened an internal investigation. A brief report included in Slager's personnel file said a senior officer was assigned to investigate. After a couple weeks, the case was closed with a notation that Slager was "exonerated."

Brown is listed as a witness in the investigative report, but her purported statement included none of the details she said she provided about Slager using his Taser to shock Givens while he was on the ground. She said she was never contacted as part of the police investigation and had not spoken with anyone about that night until she was contacted by an AP reporter Wednesday.

The report also includes statements from Givens and another woman who was there that night, Yolonda Whitaker, said she saw Slager stun Givens "for no reason." Efforts to reach Whitaker on Wednesday by phone and the addresses listed for her in the police report were unsuccessful.

Givens said he was never contacted as part of the internal investigation into Slager and only learned the case had been closed after he went to the station about six weeks later and asked what happened.

"They never told me how they reached the conclusion. Never. They never contacted anyone from that night. No one from the neighborhood," Givens said.

Asked about the 2013 incident on Wednesday, North Charleston police spokesman Spencer Pryor said the department now plans to review the case to see if its decision to exonerate Slager was correct. He had no timetable on when that review might take place.

Givens shook his head Wednesday when asked about his reaction to learning Slager had been charged with murder. Slager is being held in jail without bond.

"It could have been prevented," Givens said of Scott's death. "If they had just listened to me and investigated what happened that night, this man might be alive today."


AND THEIR FAILURE TO ACT WILL ADD AT LEAST A MILLION BUCKS TO THE SETTLEMENT THE DEAD GUYS FAMILY WILL RECEIVE.

You want to re-think your earlier statement that "The ONLY one guilty of anything is in jail" ?



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You want to re-think your earlier statement that "The ONLY one guilty of anything is in jail" ?



That's not what I said, but close enough. I'm sure you can find plenty more "hands up, don't shoot" articles if you try.


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Back to this...
LE is rife with elitist who believe e their min set, values, assumptions, intuitions are superior to that of civilians.
No matter, criminal, victim or bystander...you are YOU and they are cops.
No other parties exist.
The department protected him before and , it looks, like they we're headed that direction again.
Personally...I'd have waited a week or so to drop the video if it was mine. I would have let the department call it a clean shoot then I'd have sent it to the NY times.


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