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KC, Do you need a drop tube to get that much RL22 in a 30-06 case?
bigSwede: No drop tube. After I weighed it I discovered that that much just about fills the casing to the top of the neck. Tap it and shake it a little so the powder will settle some then tamp it in with a wooden dowel. Not too hard. KC
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KC, Do you need a drop tube to get that much RL22 in a 30-06 case?
bigSwede: No drop tube. After I weighed it I discovered that that much just about fills the casing to the top of the neck. Tap it and shake it a little so the powder will settle some then tamp it in with a wooden dowel. Not too hard. KC Thanks for the info.
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Have we collectively figured out yet that the 300 Weatherby knocks the snot out of bull elk?
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Have we collectively figured out yet that the 300 Weatherby knocks the snot out of bull elk? I can find a carload of carcasses left over from a bunch of elk hunting, that will attest to that fact...
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk.
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Have we collectively figured out yet that the 300 Weatherby knocks the snot out of bull elk? As will a bazooka.
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Much prefer a 300 rum or even a 300 winchester.
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I see no advantage of the Weatherby over a Win Mag. You can get ammo about anywhere for the win mag if things go bad. Long seated reloads seem to perform pretty dang good. A Weatherby isn't worth the bother.
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk. Exactly.. All this gack is fun, but what most guys really need to be doing is practicing with their elk rifle on a more consistent basis......
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk. Exactly.. All this gack is fun, but what most guys really need to be doing is practicing with their elk rifle on a more consistent basis...... I kinda dig the 300 Wby my son was gifted this past year from my elk hunting partner..
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I see no advantage of the Weatherby over a Win Mag. You can get ammo about anywhere for the win mag if things go bad. Long seated reloads seem to perform pretty dang good. A Weatherby isn't worth the bother. My buddy killed six elk out of seven trips to Colorado with me and all with the 300 Win Mag and the Sierra 200 gr BT
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I see no advantage of the Weatherby over a Win Mag. You can get ammo about anywhere for the win mag if things go bad. Long seated reloads seem to perform pretty dang good. A Weatherby isn't worth the bother. My buddy killed six elk out of seven trips to Colorado with me and all with the 300 Win Mag and the Sierra 200 gr BT Nope, can't be true. If you read the internet enough you will know that a Sierra Game King is not a suitable elk bullet. You need something bonded or a mono. I'm glad I don't read the internet.
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I see no advantage of the Weatherby over a Win Mag. You can get ammo about anywhere for the win mag if things go bad. Long seated reloads seem to perform pretty dang good. A Weatherby isn't worth the bother. My buddy killed six elk out of seven trips to Colorado with me and all with the 300 Win Mag and the Sierra 200 gr BT Nope, can't be true. If you read the internet enough you will know that a Sierra Game King is not a suitable elk bullet. You need something bonded or a mono. I'm glad I don't read the internet. I'm glad I don't either.... I generally use 250gr gamekings in my 338...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk. Exactly.. All this gack is fun, but what most guys really need to be doing is practicing with their elk rifle on a more consistent basis...... I kinda dig the 300 Wby my son was gifted this past year from my elk hunting partner.. Scotty, that is a damn good shooting 300 wby. Reminds me of how mine shot 180gr. ballistic tips and partitions. Why in the hell I ever got rid of it, I'll never know!!!! I don't know what your son ended up with, but mine was built on a really nice m1917 sporter. I sold it to a guy on the other side of the river about 40 miles from where your elk hunting partner lives...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The .300 Wby is a great round. As far as best, well, that is subjective. Everything living will die very quickly sans its heart. What destroys its heart is immaterial. That it is destroyed is.
Last September, I put a 900+ pound 7x7 bull on his butt with one 160 Partition fired from my 7MM Rem Mag. The fact is I can't think of a big game round that wouldn't have done the same thing provided a bullet from one destroyed its heart.
Were I accorded a rifle do-over, I'd go with a 22" barreled .280 Rem and never look back. But then again, I like short barreled, easy-to-carry guns.
Hunting success is determined by hunters' skills. A .303 British will kill just as dead as a .300 Wby if bullets from each stop oxygenated blood from flowing topside. Big game will die when oxygenated blood stops topside flow.
Therefore, it ain't the cartridge as much as personal preference and hunters' skills.
If I'm fortunate to go again this season, I'll be using my 22" barreled .270 Win. As long as I put a bullet in an elk's oxygenated blood pumping equipment, it will die. That is biological fact. And in hunting as is true in all that lives, biology is controlling.
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BTW, the 7MM Rem Mag was designed as a long range elk cartridge. My guess is that the 7MM Rem Mag has killed more elk than any other magnum cartridge. But that;s just a guess.
There is magic in 7MM Rem Mag bullets. To get better sectional density, ergo better penetration, one has to move far right on the power continuum where cartridges that hurt to shoot are found.
I have a Belgian Browning in .338 Win Mag. I've never hunted with it. It's far too power for everything I hunt. But it is a beautiful gun. About 30 years ago I fired it 3 times & have never again fired it. Were I to be able to hunt polar bear, I might use it. But then again, Eskimos & Inuit us the '06 with great success on polar bear.
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Flat trajectory. Massive downrange energy. Sub MOA accuracy from many rifle and handload combos. High but manageable recoil in most rifle weights. Almost unlimited bullet selection, and widely universal availability of factory ammo, if needed If you were on a trophy hunt for big bulls, could you really come up with a better choice? For myself, the next bull will fall to another TSX, 165 or 180 gr, with extreme confidence. Why undergun yourself with lesser armament, or overrun yourself with higher recoil? If Roy himself were around today, I'm guessing he would endorse his 300 as perfection on elk. As far as I’m concerned, the premise of the question (“The 300 Wby Mag for elk- is there anything better?”) is wrong. “Better” is an individual assessment based on specific criteria. There is no universal “better” as the criteria will necessarily vary from individual to individual. Before addressing that matter, let me comment on the supposed advantages of the .300 WBY as stated by the OP. Flat trajectory: Most game is taken within 300 yards where many cartridges are capable of providing a “flat enough” trajectory. My .257 Roberts shoots way flatter than necessary for such ranges. The real advantage of “flat” shooting magnums comes in at ranges over 500-600 yards, ranges at which most people a) have no business attempting a shot due to lack of practice and b) have no idea what the actual trajectory is (and usually underestimate the drop in my experience). In 33 years of hunting elk, I’ve never taken a shot where a .308 Win would not have sufficed. “Flat” shooting cartridges are nice but rarely necessary. Massive downrange energy: Dead is dead. More energy won’t make an animal more dead. It can, however, result in excessive wastage of the meat. Once a certain level of energy transfer is reached, the law of diminishing returns kicks in with a vengeance. Once again the advantage is most important at ranges far beyond where most game is taken. Sub-MOA accuracy: Many cartridges are capable of sub-MOA accuracy. Many of those can provide more than adequate on-game performance with far less recoil and expense than a .300WBY. High but manageable recoil: Manageable for whom? Many people find .30-06 levels of recoil objectionable. The recoil of my .45-70 hunting loads makes any .300WBY load look tame by comparison but the older I get the more I appreciate cartridges that have relatively mild recoil. Almost unlimited bullet selection: While there are a log of bullets available for .308” bores, the same hunting bullets I would use in a .300 WBY are available for most common bore diameters, including North Fork SS, Barnes TTSX, Nosler AccuBond, and Swift A-Frame. If you prefer cup-and-core hunting bullets you would be hard pressed to find a common bore diameter for which such bullets are not readily available. Widely universal availability of factory ammo: That claim is a self-contradicting oxymoron. (And yes, I know “self-contradicting oxymoron” is repetitive.) “Widely” and “universal” are mutually exclusive terms. But never mind that – I suspect factory .30-06 ammo (and .300WM ammo for that matter) is available at far more places, and in more varieties for far less cost, than is .300WBY factory ammo. Could I come up with a “better” choice for a trophy hunt for big bulls? Yes, and easily so, as I have quite a few rifles that would be more than adequate but don’t have a .300 WBY or any desire to purchase one. Moreover, they would undoubtedly do 99.9% of the jobs I could do with a .300 WBY with less recoil and less cost. But what is “better for me is not necessarily “better” for the next person.
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