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Oh ok I see it. Well, I'll never go out that far anyway probably, or if I do maybe investigate the possibility of heavier bullets
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not many average AR Shooters go that far and the 69 gr will do anything they ask for from their AR
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wind drift. Its a killer at 600 with a 69. At 1000 even the 80s get bucked around. ITs the reason I went to 90s.
Even at 300 the 69s drift more than comparable 75/77/80ish bullets.
Anyone can grab a rangefinder and adjust elevation, its the windage thats a SWAG.
Miss with a 69 doesn't kill a PD but a hit with a 77 will....
Someone here, I thought it was Fiddy, commented about the 69s shooting very well all the way to 900. Maybe I got the wrong guy, sorry.
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If I were a betting man I would bet that well over 50% of the people who own AR's never shoot farther than 300 yards if that far. I certainly have rifles better equipped for 900 yd shots than even my Les Baer.
rost495 everything you have said so far is correct and hard to argue against. to me bullets are like girlfriends, sometimes the one that makes the most sense isn't the one you like the best.
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wind drift. Its a killer at 600 with a 69. At 1000 even the 80s get bucked around. ITs the reason I went to 90s.
Even at 300 the 69s drift more than comparable 75/77/80ish bullets.
Anyone can grab a rangefinder and adjust elevation, its the windage thats a SWAG.
Miss with a 69 doesn't kill a PD but a hit with a 77 will....
Someone here, I thought it was Fiddy, commented about the 69s shooting very well all the way to 900. Maybe I got the wrong guy, sorry.
Jeff Nah I didn't comment about shooting to 900 - I wouldn't be qualified to do so. If I were a betting man I would bet that well over 50% of the people who own AR's never shoot farther than 300 yards if that far. I certainly have rifles better equipped for 900 yd shots than even my Les Baer. Yeah I fall into that category. I'll probably never shoot farther than that, and I'm probably never going to hunt anything a la prairie dog, either.
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I only use my AR's only for hunting mostly Coyotes, Groundhogs and Deer. Shots never over 300 yards , most under 100 yards
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I'm only somewhat qualified to comment, but thats due to competition. 300-600 is considered mid range, and my Long Range High Master classification came early with ONLY 600 yard and 800-1000 yard matches. 300 and under even 500 and under don't count.
I'll stick by the fact that 69s suck at 600. Its a reason the wife bought an M1A after shooting a windy 600 yard match once, that really took her score down low, and she was handed an M14 the next morning with boxes of 168s( THANKS- Alonda and Arch!!!) and shortly thereafter we had another M1A in the vault.
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It's an indisputable fact of physics that higher BC bullets are less subject to wind drift than lower BC bullets in the wind conditions.
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I'm only somewhat qualified to comment, but thats due to competition. 300-600 is considered mid range, and my Long Range High Master classification came early with ONLY 600 yard and 800-1000 yard matches. 300 and under even 500 and under don't count.
I'll stick by the fact that 69s suck at 600. Its a reason the wife bought an M1A after shooting a windy 600 yard match once, that really took her score down low, and she was handed an M14 the next morning with boxes of 168s( THANKS- Alonda and Arch!!!) and shortly thereafter we had another M1A in the vault. I would say you're MORE than qualfied to comment. What twist do you prefer when shooting the 80-90 gr bullets. My 24" LB is 1in9 and they highly recommend nothing over 69gr.
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I'm only somewhat qualified to comment, but thats due to competition. 300-600 is considered mid range, and my Long Range High Master classification came early with ONLY 600 yard and 800-1000 yard matches. 300 and under even 500 and under don't count.
I'll stick by the fact that 69s suck at 600. Its a reason the wife bought an M1A after shooting a windy 600 yard match once, that really took her score down low, and she was handed an M14 the next morning with boxes of 168s( THANKS- Alonda and Arch!!!) and shortly thereafter we had another M1A in the vault. Hey Jeff, which M1A did your wife get?
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Springfield Armory, sold the stock, put a Mc Millan on it, then pulled the barrel and put a 10 twist Krieger on it, and had it bedded, and tuned/trigger job and match sights.
Only thing I regret in some ways on both of our guns is they were not double lugged recievers.
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I'm only somewhat qualified to comment, but thats due to competition. 300-600 is considered mid range, and my Long Range High Master classification came early with ONLY 600 yard and 800-1000 yard matches. 300 and under even 500 and under don't count.
I'll stick by the fact that 69s suck at 600. Its a reason the wife bought an M1A after shooting a windy 600 yard match once, that really took her score down low, and she was handed an M14 the next morning with boxes of 168s( THANKS- Alonda and Arch!!!) and shortly thereafter we had another M1A in the vault. I would say you're MORE than qualfied to comment. What twist do you prefer when shooting the 80-90 gr bullets. My 24" LB is 1in9 and they highly recommend nothing over 69gr. my buddy shoots 9 twist on purpose, but its a full and actual 9 twist, hot loads with 80s, sometimes 77s won't stabilize. I shoot 7 twists for 80s, nothing less than 6.5s for 90s. 20 inch tubes. Obviously MV makes a difference and barrel length affects that.
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Stag 3G for a street price of $1300-1350 is hard to beat, even building. SS Shaw barrel is 410SS, would have rather seen 416R, but everyone I've talked to says < 1MOA. Stag 3G MM What a coincidence. I was just looking at a stag 3GL comp. Looks damn nice for the money ($1,350.00). I'm not the op, but in the same boat as him and trying to narrow it down... Don't know if I want to go strictly left handed AR though. Maybe bea or someone else has started a thread on pros and cons of that: Left vs. right handed AR's????
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Stag 3G for a street price of $1300-1350 is hard to beat, even building. SS Shaw barrel is 410SS, would have rather seen 416R, but everyone I've talked to says < 1MOA. Stag 3G MM What a coincidence. I was just looking at a stag 3GL comp. Looks damn nice for the money ($1,350.00). I'm not the op, but in the same boat as him and trying to narrow it down... Don't know if I want to go strictly left handed AR though. Maybe bea or someone else has started a thread on pros and cons of that: Left vs. right handed AR's???? I have shot right handed m16/m4 for 17yrs and I'm a lefty, I shoot them left handed and it does not bother me. I see no advantage of having a left handed one. The brass deflector works very well.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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