i've been studying how to make chainmaille just as a hobby, I'm wondering if riveted chainmaille with thick rings could provide decent defense in a fight with a cougar or wolf or small bear... I think there teeth and claws would break on the steel? just something to think about. Even if a brown bear got you down the steel would atleast prevent him from ripping you apart.. althought it would leave nasty bruises, i'd rather have bruises then deep cuts.

I'd rather be able to maneuver and shoot or run away which I doubt I could if I was wearing a steel suit.

Maarty,

Click on the guys profile and look at some of his other posts...

Somewhere, a village has lost its idiot!

Regards,

Peter

Pete, I have a slightly different point of view. I see it as the campfire gaining one lol

They're making shark suits out of it. If it'll stop a shark's teeth, it should handle a cat.

I don't know if this suit is made to protect from a shark or to wrap a shark. It (the suit) costs $23,000. The model is extra.

I presonally think a Cougar wearing Chain Maille would be alot more interesting.....See sample above....

I would have to agree. Put the suit on the cougar, feed it and see if it keeps coming back for more. I'm considering baiting options. Any ideas? I'm thinking a few $100 bills on the back step would keep it coming around. Maybe a new pair of stilettos each week? Flinch

A Brit flying home from a Viking's Festival in Iceland once told me his chain suit weighed 40 lbs.

-R44

This is a project worthy of your time.

with the large bears it aint just bruises, still gonna break bones and can still rip your arm off.....unreal the amount of damage that can be done even without teeth breaking skin...have heard the bite force of a large griz is 1800psi.....chain mail will not cushion you from that......

I have seen horse trailers and campers where bears have ripped doors off hinges etc. Chain mail isn't going to slow them down any, just you.

The mental images of this are just getting better and better.

I'm not worried about weight, they don't even weigh that much, and if you make your own you can make as heavy or light as you want... I would make it light duty to protect say from a looter or thug with a pocket knife or a wolve or cougars teeth and claws. Or even a stray dog.

I know for a bear your done... this would be for LIGHT armor... protection from stray dogs or looters or thugs with knives or slashing weapons...

this is just a hobby, I don't plan on wearing this to work every day or to test it out against a grizzly... I think it would work good against a cougar or cougar sized animal with teeh and/or claws. Chainmaille is surprisingly easy to make too, and cheap.

I'm not worried about weight I weigh 305 pounds and i'm a powerlifter so I have a lot of muscle on me... however even for me I would not want to hike 5 miles with one on. This would only be a [bleep] hit the fan shirt if there was ever anarchy in this country and I needed some basic crude body armor against man or beast

I'm not saying I would wear it and think I can stop a grizzly with it... I was just saying that it would be better to be attacked by a griz with one on, then naked flesh exposed.

This would be geared more toward stray dogs, large coyotes, wolves, cougars, people with knives.... etc. Bears I agree it wouldn't really do much

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I hear ya

ITs just standard chainmail they probably use titanium instead of steel so it's lighter and more rust resistant... hence the higher cost

only works against slashing cuts with knives.....if the knife has enough of a taper it will go through chain mail.....it was originally used to protect yah from slashing with a sword, if you were stabbed with a sword or shot with an arrow you were still [bleep].....

to a certain extent you are right... although well made maille is worn by shark divers and can stop small to medium sharks from puncturing thru it... if it can prevent a small bull shark from biting thru it with 1800 pounds of bite force, I think it can stop a puny 150 pound human from stabbing me... i'm not gonna bet my life on it though. I think it would work good against a punk witha knife or a stray dog or cougar or wolf/large coyote even a small black bear... would help a lot. I can test it before I wear it.

this is more geared toward a person(s) with knife, or stray dog or wolf or large coyote or cougar... not toward a big bear, I was just saying it could probably LESSEN the injury by the bear.. depending on the bear and type of attack.

there is a reason they went to toughened leather/composite armor.......cant imagine wearing the chit all day is all ic an say......carrying a gun makes more sense.....

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there is a reason they went to toughened leather/composite armor.......cant imagine wearing the chit all day is all ic an say......carrying a gun makes more sense.....[/quote]

Every man has his own taste in weapons

no, just delt with dogs in the past and know when they decide to come after you a bullet beats mail.....call it experience....

Polska, if you are even remotely considering this nonsense, you have to actually get out of your fantasy world and into the woods to understand how ridiculous the very thought of this notion is. I don't see either happening in your world. Nice imagination though and and interesting topic. Add a belt with a bear spray holster, some tinkling bells, fairy dust spritzer and you will really have something. Flinch

Considering my age, and the fact that cougars are much older than the men they pursue, I have no interest in baiting one.

Have you thought about trying a gun? I hear the best defense is a good offense.

Here is the real question at hand...

Could a safari game rifle rifle with an electronic optic penerate the chain maille armor worn by a "305lb power lifter"?

Chain maille VS cougar,small bear, or wolf and other beasts......or....What If Spartacus had A Piper Cub?

ive got $50 that says i can do it with an arrow to hell with a rifle.....

Why do you need chainmaille when you weigh 305 and lift weights? Seems like you should have the upper hand when it comes to fighting hand to hand. A few fighting classes would probably be cheaper and you would look a helluva lot cooler kicking a$$ than walking around in chain maille! lol

A Bodkin arrowhead will zip right through chain mail.

The site this guy (?) should be on is:

http://www.mailleartisans.org/

Getting hit with a 150 gr 308 M2 would be humane compared to some of theses nasties (page down)

http://www.archery-centre.co.uk/Catalogue/ArrowHeads.shtml

I've read where PH's used leather with formica sewn to it around there necks and wore a football helmet when following up wounded cats.

I heard the most effective deterrent for cougars and wolves was a string of pork chops strung about the neck. Something about it that game doesn't like.
Perhaps the OP should give that field trial and report back.

Sounds like Capstick and if so you should consider a degree of poetic license involved in the story..

to each his own, I never attacked you, why are you attacking me

Being strong won't protect me from jaws and claws.

Some nasty people here

Polska,

Are you from, or living in Kamchatka?

OR?

Just asking.

If you wouldn't hike 5 miles in it, how do you expect to encounter a Felis concolor to be worried about in the first place?

As for SHTF, at 305, and slowed down by maille, you'd not be hard to pick out or off.

My suggestion would be to continue making that stuff and selling it to the SCA crowd. When you make enough disposable cash, get a couple decent firearms and become proficient with them.

I would think head and neck protection would be of more value and a suit of Maille. Then again not being able to see or hear well would be the trade off I guess. I will just pay attention to my surroundings and keep a gun handy. The chances of me getting thumped but either a Cougar or what have you is slim to none, now the two legged ones well, they make plenty of good pocket guns for that.

You are right and found out that his accounts weren't really al his. Pretty disappointed that he'd do that.

JM

I bet polska is a Czech.

So when he goes out into the woods, the Czech is in the maille...

didnt realize i was attacking, just trying to interject a dose of reality.....stupid to wear mail while hiking, its steel and your gonna sweat.....steel, water and salt is not a good combination amoung other reasons this is a piss poor idea......easier to just pack a gun......

Polska, I think you may be onto something great here. Man, wish I would have been the one to come up with such a unique idea. You brew one up, come on out to Montana, and I'll see if Sam Olson will help me to get you face to face with a smallish grizz. I will be glad to run the camcorder.

BOOOO!

thinking that ol' she griz he made his b!tch?

I ain't talkin'...

As I recall Polska the last time you got all pissy here you invited folks to upstate NY if they wanted to settle matters... Right?


So it begs the question...
There that many wolves and cougars in upstate NY?

....yeah, there are some "nasty" people here...LOL. But the stupid ones make up the vast majority of people here. See you in the Darwin awards. Chain Maille and bears....Laffin!!! Flinch

i remember a guy on the discovery channel made a bear suit. when they tested it with a live grizzly he pealed it open like a sardine can.

This thread is kind of funny! I wonder how many have ever seen the metal car doors just peeled right off a car or truck by a bear wanting to get inside that vehicle?

How many have ever seen a fight between a grizzly bear and a mature bull elk? I saw a small grizzly (300-lbs) strattle a bull elk after he killed it and walk off into the thick brush dragging like a horse would a roped calf. Now that elk weighed at least 750 lbs folks.

Grizzly bears are not something I have or want to spend much time around. I looked one in the eye once across a single wire electric fence, and it brought a realization into my mind about the food chain that is still there.
We're number two.

If a grizz gets a hold of you you will be...grin

Chernoble.

Amchitka...

I think you'd have the same problem with cats chewing on your neck. What you need is the full suit of rigid armour, not chain mail.

Sorry if I did not read the responses before this and it gets repetative.

Are you out of your mind?

A couple of bruises?

You are well on your way to becoming a "Darwin award" recipient!!!

I don't believe in Darwin, I believe in Jesus Christ and his only true church, the Catholic church

I could get the chain to go around my neck and and bend some sheet metal into a small collar, fold over the edges so it's not sharp and attach it to the maille. But if the maille is welded properly I doubt the cougars teeth would go thru. steel vs. tooth... steel wins

i'm still down,

Sounds good, girlie man!!

Well no armor can stop a grizz from killing you nless you are in armored vehicle. Thats when a self destruct device comes into play hahaha. When that [bleep] is chewing on me i'll blow myself and him up... just kidding. But its always good to leave one bullet for yourself... i'd rather blow myself up or shoot myself If I know I have no chance of fighting the bear off or if I know he's a maneather... better then be eaten alive

Since you've trolled back through, Polska...

Its good to have respect for bears... its good to have respect for all animals.. regardless of whether they are able to kill your or not. I see so many people on these hunting shows killing pigs and deer and turkeys and other bueatiful animals for no reason other then sport... thats a bad reason, and a waste of time/money. If you don't need the meat let it live. The world does not revolve around us and animals have feelings too....just like IS ee people hunting big bears with .30-06's and .338's... because they are not man enough to shoot a real man's gun a real big bore that will humanely kill it. Would you like to be hunted and shot to death with a .22?? and Being shot at while hiking in the woods from unknown direction with a .22? And run and panic not knowing whats going on... that just ain't right. That being said... maybe some people are #2 on the food chain, but I know that I am #1 and I will always be #1 until the day I die Our intelligence is what makes us #1.. not our brute strength, which even I have but is not enough to over power a bear. I outsmart him.

JFC....

Talking squarely out of your azz about stuff you clearly have no experience with, and certainly no clue about.

Please, stay in the Peoplez Republik of NewYorkistan.

Hey, anyone doing any 'yote blasting this spring?

Pics?

[bleep]! Is this loon for real??

i'd come up with a plan 'B' if i were you...

I agree. Use enough gun!
I respect crows

...and woodchucks.

....even coyotes.

DA-YUM!

What did you hit that 'yote with?

223 WSSM/75 gr. A-max.

WAY overpenetrated....

It was out of respect. OTOH, he shoulda prepared himself.....with chain mail.

The shrapnel from that would have been... impressive.

Hey, check out the "attack of feral cat" thread in the HC.

Reckon we could get down to Oz and "respect" some felines?

Teeth are stronger than steel? Steel wins every time? Another moronic statement. Do a google search for Lion attacks and bear attacks. There are several pictures of rifle scopes (steel ones) and rifles being punctured and torn apart by nothing more than the critters teeth. I have seen little racoons chew their way out of heavy wire traps...yes, chew, not tare. Friggen idiot Polsky. Flinch

Is that supposed to intimidate me? or impress me? I've seen plenty of death in my life. I'm not against hunting, but I'm against stupid people like you that make true hunters like me look bad

Yea but most scopes are not made from steel.. actually I don't know any that are made from steel, most are made from aluminum... you are obviously moronic. Chain maille is not a hollow scope, its much stronger.

What a trophy, those damn groundhogs and coyotes, real danger... how about you put your 2000 dollar gun down, pick up a revolver or a bow and hunt a bear in dense bush. Your a waste of time

What is so pleasurable in killing something just for the sake of killing? There is no honor in wasting a groundhog for 200 yards. Or sitting in the safety of our treestand with a bow over a bait pile and shooting a bear or buck... not true woodsman, just pretenders

If you don't understand the need to kill coyotes and groundhogs you are no woodsman just a pretender who got his ethics from dime store mag.

And the ability to kill something at 200 yards is the use of the mind that keeps us at the top of the food chain as you say.

First off your reading comprehension sucks as you clearly missed my query in the above post.
Secondly in respect to you statement.

I never cottoned much to having to whoop azz on kids still on the teet.

Polska - You're an idiot... Unreal, how dumb you are. You should thank God every minute of the day that stupid doesn't hurt.

You are absolutely right. None of the posters here understand you and you should go ahead with your plan to test your chain maille suit on grizzly bears. Please let me know how it goes. I'm really interested in the outcome, and I'm sure alot of others are, too.
Don't forget your galoshes, your steel gloves, and be sure to wear clean underwear. See you when you get back.

BB,
You forgot the important part below.

Polska, your parents would like you to leave a note before you go out so they know how to get ahold of you if needed. Also they would like you take out the trash, clean your room, and please be home before dinner.

I just hope to heck he doesn't have any trouble getting through the metal detectors at the airport...

Are unaccompanied minors allowed to fly?...

You don't need my help looking bad Darwin. You do just fine all by your little self. I'm sorry your daddy left you, your momma beats you and your sister dresses you in girls clothes. ....chain maille for grizzlies....I am still laughing.

You are like that idiot that thought grizzlies loved him. They did, right down to his boots and socks. There wasn't much left of him. The grizzlies thought he tasted like caribou. Run along, go play with your dolls. Flinch

They don't call them ground grizzlies for nothing. You know, if you are in up state NY we likely aren't too far apart.

FVA
Word to the wise man. You don't want no part of Polka.. I mean Polska. Don't you know man, he is 7'13" 330lbs pure twisted steel! Why even Chuck Norris is afraid of him... Why else do you think Walker Texas Ranger went off the air?
Watch out man.

... and he knows dagnerous game! Why hell legend has it he beat Cabelas Dangerous Hunts 2011 on his Nintendo Wii in one day while only taking ONE break to pee and get some beef jerky. Halfway through the little foam deals starts to leak out of his bean bag chair.... then chit really started to get hairy.


You ever play Wii in collapsing bean bag chair?.... Well have you? Huh, have you? I didn't think so man!
You don't even know the things he's seen.

FVA;
Thanks for sharing the dispersed crow pictures with us.

While I enjoy calling in coyotes and see the necessity of shooting rodents of all sizes - especially on agricultural land, I must confess to a perverse pleasure in seeing crows explode.

In all likelihood it stems from the many mornings they woke my up on the farm before I needed to be up and had been out on the field late.

Once I went so far as shooting at them at 4:00AM with the most accurate rifle in the house at the time, my wife's little 788 carbine in .308, as they perched on some trees about 300yds from our house. By the way, I did have a safe backstop for that shot.

A cousin I farmed with at the time, who lived close enough to hear it was only mildly curious as to "what I was blazing away at when it's only 4:00", when I got to the shop.

Oh that I'd had my .22-.250Improved back then....

Anyway here in BC we've hunted crows with calls and an owl and crow decoys back in "the day" and shot them during lulls in other hunts as well.

The sight of a puff of black feathers wafting lazily downward in a light breeze has never failed to bring a smile to my mustache covered lips.

My name is Dwayne and I really, really don't like crows.

Have a good weekend FVA and good luck on your future crow hunts.

Regards,
Dwayne

HOLY CRAP, who opened the doors on the nuthouse?

Glad you are back, Les. I've been packing all the weight here by myself...

I'll be back tomorrow night to dish out some much needed help, seems I need to be in a few areas to add levity to some true internet commandos/mall ninjas.

Dwayne,
Those crows were 22-250'd...AI'd. It works well.

Buy some arsenic or strychnine. Rub all over your body with your bare hands. That way when a couger or bear bites you he will die of poisoning.

the other idea is always hike with a buddy and when they arent looking rub some bacon grease on them.....i call it my survival gel

Rattler, you got it wrong in this case need to rub the bacon grease all over the chain maille to cover the scent and go into stealth mode Russ

Reminds me of why a .22 revolver is a preferred bear protection handgun.

Just knee-cap your hunting partner when the bear shows up. You don't have to outrun the bear; just the other guy.

Am figuring a 'tard in chain maille would be about as easy to outpace.

Just don't get out of bino range....

I'll answer this seriously.

1) Chain mail offers little or no resistance against impact. The crushing force of a bite or blow will impact your body almost unimpeded.

2) The links could be easily burst by the pressure of a bite as the point of a tooth enters the link.

3) I put my money on the bear.

you never read my post, no one did. you guys just have no lives. The idea is I could wear it if looters came to my neighborhood with knifes and so forth so if I had to ge tinto hand to hand combat i'd have some protection from slashes and sharp slicing weapons. The cahin would definately crush me but a bear will not split apart the chain... if it's welded properly and it's 10 gauge steel I doubt he'll bite thru it... but thats not the point. This would not be designed for bears, mainly people... stray dogs, etc... something that is not powerful to overpower me.. but that I could fend off with some body armor to protect me from teeth, claws, and knife slashes

OK. One looter is bound to have a gun. He shoots you when you get into hand to hand combat..you die. The welded 10 gauge links capture the expanded and nearly spent bullet exiting your chest cavity and give the forensic team something to work with to solve your murder.

The small bear in your thread TITLE breaks all your bones and has a chewier meal .

The wolf/cougar...it might help you....If you want to wear 40 pounds of armour in the woods for the 1-million chance of attack be my guest.

Be pretty crappy in the canoe though when you hit the souse hole and get dragged to the bottom.

You might want to start watching Harry Potter movies, I think magic might serve your needs better. Russ

You just can't make chit like this up..

or do the smart thing, carry a gun and shoot the [bleep] before they are close enough to do anything......

to the rest, we sure this isnt TRH under a new name, sounds and aweful lot like the solutions he comes up to these sorts of problems.....

I dont think you have much of a chance...

Read it, comprehended your dumbphuckitude well, and the original suggestion stands.

As does your inordinate level of dumbphuckitude.

Yes I think we clearly all saw your intent to use chain maille to fend of looters etc. when you titled the thread... "Chain maille VS cougar, small bear, or wolf and other beasts" and posted it in the General Big Game section.


OH yes and lets not forget your first post in the thread was this:


So we all clearly again missed your indications that the intent of using your chain maille as defense agianst looters.



You're a half wit teen ager whold has talked out his ass here, and is now trying to undig a hole.
Keep shoveling kid.

p.s. have fun at band camp!

Polska; Watch that first video again. You're [bleep].

Polska you have to be the single stupidist person ever.

Well, if he is, he'll never believe you. I've known people like this before and about all you can do with them is have a little fun.

Screw the bino's don't get out of camera with telephoto lens range, then post the results here!

Evidence.

This sounds familiar....