Seems three ghetto queens were stuffing stolen merchandise in a Houston Wal-Mart and were caught by an off-duty HCSD Deputy working loss prevention.

The three hags along with two kids fled the store with the loot, as the Officer approached the car and yanked open the door the driver floored it and nearly hit the deputy, he fired one shot into the rear of the car and struck one queen in the neck.

Her two compadres, honorable as they may be continued to flee in the vehicle as their PIC bled out in the back seat.

Good Shooting Officer, and be safe.

Gunner

Oh the inhumanity!

I read the story, her mother was praising what a good person/mother/friend/sister blah blah blah she WAS.

Gunner

Wow. Not finding this in the news.

Did the Deputy ID himself as LEO before he yanked open the door?

Were the the kids in the car and did the Deputy know there were kids in the car when he fired?

Good deal Lucille and happy day Jose. GUN JAMMED, HUH?

Probably just trying to give her kid a good Christmas...

He saw the kids, and was in HCSD uniform.

Gunner

Yeah, and pickin up a few bags of new socks for babydaddy.

Gunner

Unfortunately, his life will now be ruined.......perp had no gun & was fleeing & his life was not being threatened.

Hell, he'll be lucky if he doesn't do some hard time.

MM

Id diss gonna involve the CEO of the racialist industry, Al Sharpton?

Glad to see a cop story that's not bad.

Fleeing in a vehicle [near/over the top of] a LEO is an instant death sentence here in Okleehoma, hope it is is Texas too.

Gunner

And less dont ferget da revering jesse too OT.

Gunner

What's not bad about someone shooting into a car full of kids and misdemeanor shop lifters, while in a crowded WalMart parking lot?
Grossly irresponsible and negligent, at best.

Yep...he will go through a living hell. Don't ask me how I know. The shooting will be scruitinized in super-slow-mo and every possible angle will be to corner him into having a bad shoot. It is a big-time shame...

Sorry trying to run over an officer is a death sentence for the driver. Hasbeen

...

What's not bad about someone shooting into a car full of kids and misdemeanor shop lifters, while in a crowded WalMart parking lot?
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What part of attempted murder or maiming of a cop passed by you?

And,who says it was a misdemeanor? Rather stupid for some dumbass to attempt a drive-over of a cop on a simple theft charge,don't you think.?

The other two accomplices are going to have a bunch of charges unloaded on them.

I agree...but the story does not say he shot the driver. He is in big-time trouble civilly at best.

Correct, and these three dirtbags brought along the little ones on their felonious shopping spree, Texas will lock there asses up.

Gunner

The OP didn't say that. He said "s the Officer approached the car and yanked open the door the driver floored it and nearly hit the deputy" That would seem to imply he was beside the car.
He could have hit one of the kids, a passerby, or hit the driver and had the driver-less car at a high speed and out of control in a crowded parking lot.
Seems like pretty poor judgement.

I think the one shot was in the back seat. Driver will probally face attempted muder of a PO. Hasbeen

And complicity to homicide, for the two still alive.

Gunner

And well they should be locked up. But that don't make the cop right.

I'm not going to go as far as to say he excersized "poor judgement" because I was not there and don't have enough details. I will say once again his life will be hell...even if he had good intentions and was doing everything "right".

If you are standing beside my pickup, and I floor it out of a parking space, I am going have to cut the wheels......

Gunner

And someone needs to post a link please, thats another reason my dumbass doesnt start many threads.

Gunner

That's the problem with us now. The police have their hands tied. They need to use a black jack on some gang bangers. The crooks have no consequences . If the cops catch let the legal system just slaps their hand and turn them back to prey on innocent citizens. Hasbeen

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-2245074%2FWalmart-security-guard-shoots-shoplifting-mother-dead-parking-lot-tries-escape-young-children.html&ei=f7DGUPz6E8Wo0AGntIHoAw&usg=AFQjCNEDk5xll8CQPWjN3nAPoqlOQmYbNQ

Yep...but I can tell you from experience. When force, especially deadly force is used,and someone is seriously injured or killed, an Officer's life will be Hell for a long time. The badge is just not worth the cost sometimes....

I.m glad to say that things are a bit different down this way DH5555.

Gunner

26 year vet. Woman had previously been ordered to stay out of Walmart as part of a previous Walmart shoplifting conviction.

Cop had door open to her car and ordered her out of car and she instead decided to put the car in reverse and hit the gas pedal. She knew she was going to do time for this, especially for the egregious probation violation.

Wonder how much she was thinking about her kids before,during and after her little misunderstanding.

That sounds more like it, that wasnt his first rodeo, he done good.

And i bet those bishes have records longer than my damn horses tail.

Gunner

If the deputy had been able to shoot her, good on him.
Shooting into a car with kids in it, not so much.

YIKES!!!! Looks like a clown.

She IS Ghetto-Liscious!

Over/under on this thread is 10 pages.

One of the women assaulted the cop as they fled from Walmart. He also ordered her out of car before she made another decision. Standing between a car door and the front seat as the driver slams the car in reverse has to be a bit unnerving.

There are pics in my link above.

using all my full intellectual honesty, the kids in the car is going to make for a good year's worth of a lawyer's mortgage payments but this shoplifting team won't get a dime from that state's jury pool.

Thats why you draw the big bucks Counselor, and i aint talking bout pictures of deer. LOL

Gunner

I'll take the over

Houston is a big city full of sympathic blacks. The police can't do any thing right in their eyes. Hasbeen

Were it me that pulled this stunt with my kids in the car,my mom(their grandmother) would have told the press quite the opposite from what this grandmother said about the mother of her grandchildren.

Me too.

Those girls were on their way to church choir practice , I'm sure. Hasbeen

Wrong.

As usual.

If she was willing to run down a LEO she was a definite continuing danger to anyone else she met. That was a righteous shooting.

Oh...and save the alligator tears for your liberal buddies; I could give a chit.

Based upon your history or this incident?

The dumb bish was banned from Walmarts


"Earlier in the year she pleaded guilty to stealing shirts and a package of meat from another Walmart and as part of her plea arrangement she agreed to never enter Walmart stores again."

BTW---Just kidding Bob. I believe your assessment earlier is correct.

Read the story.
He didn't shoot the driver. He shot blindly into the back of the car, and killed a passenger. Could have just as easily been 1 of the kids.
I got no sympathy for the adults.

And if the Coppers hadn't have shot me, my Wife would have as soon as she found out, and my Momma would be handing her freshly loaded magazines.

Gunner

There are a good 50 folks here who could intelligently, logically and convincingly argue both sides of this dynamic.

If the deceased lived in L.A. or DC, one side of the argument would have guessed right. This happened in Texas though so, you DC-LA styled debaters best hedge your guessing.

I just hope wal-mart got their stuff back.

Yeah it does; what part of attempted capital murder are you not getting Einstein?

in missouri the 2 survivings b!tches would be charged with murder 2nd

They damn well should be charged.imo

Did I miss something? Did the deputy state he shot blindly into the car, or are you making yet another ASSumption?

I guarantee he was aiming for the driver as she was the one that tried to run him down.

I guess his pistol was a single shot. Hasbeen

Read the story, Sir Issac.
He didn't shoot the driver, who committed the assault. He shot into the back of a car with children in it.

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I sure hope she didn't die stealing make-up.

Follow this story; there'll be a grand jury and an IA, and the deputy will be cleared of any STATE charges. The other adults chose to get into the car with a fellow thief; Texas juries don't like that type of complicit behavior.

Thats right Son.

Gunner

If I see three doe deer, it's very easy to shoot the biggest one.

Gunner

Plus, he hit the thieving bitch in the neck, the midgets would have been two feet below her sitting in the seat, or may have even been in the floorboard.

Gunner

And I agree with that statement. But he KNEW those kids were in the car. With those kids in the car, there is no way that the decision to shoot is a prudent decision.

She doesent use a lot of make-up. ;>)

He was aiming for the driver, of this I have NO doubt. It was a highly volatile, fluid situation where a deputy made a decision in seconds to stop someone who had attempted to kill him with her car. What happens when the next LEO stops them after the description goes out? She tried to run one LEO down, he had to know she was capable of trying it again. She was a fleeing capital felon and he made an attempt to stop her.

1000% agreed here MD.

Gunner

Wrong, as usual; it was the correct decision. Just go ride with a LEO for about 6 months, just to pull your head out and realize what they face day in and day out. Then maybe you won't be airmchair-quarterbacking every move the police make that is even remotely controversial or conflicts with your notion of how they should behave.

The cop was really pissed after the one cow hit him with her purse....stupid move shooting into the car with children..her family will be awarded millions.

What he said. Hasbeen

No, the Grand Jury will No-Bill the officer. Hard to say on Houston civil jury. Hasbeen

Definition of tragedy;

Shooting into that car, and only getting 1 hit.

Hey Mr. BLEEDIN' HEART, when you have to come and live among this human trash for a while you can have an opinion. TILL THEN GO PLAY IN THE DESERT!!!!!!1

Yeah, the prudent thing in your mind is to allow a potential cop-killer to run free, except the next cop, and there would quickly be many cops, would not be so lucky if he got near her car while she was still behind the wheel.

I don't believe you will find many instances of me cop bashing. I'm sure I am more inclined to give them the benefit of a doubt, because I don't know the whole story.
Having said that, I still maintain shooting into a car full of kids was not a good decision.
If he was aiming for the driver, he missed, and having missed, could have just as easily hit a kid.

And the downside?

Same thing with high speed pursuits that in danger everyone. Shoot enough and maybe they will quit running. Hasbeen

IF he wasn't aiming for the driver then where was he aiming?

More than likely he had a good idea of where everyone in the vehicle was located, as he got an up close and horrifying view.

Forwarned with that he shot into the vehicle trying to hit the driver, and I bet he hit one of the other thieves who was sitting in the back seat and was slung against the side of the car as the driver wheeled out of her space and cut the wheel to straighten out, placing her behind the driver and thus intercepting the bullet meant for the driver. But I bet you a dollar to a donut those kids were down low and out of the way and he knew it before firing.

Over 50 posts on this one and TRH has not weighed in. Is he dead?

I can't know what he was aiming for. Nor does it matter, as a bullet can go almost anywhere after being deflected by car parts or windows.

And the car speeding away could have killed innocent bystanders. Hasbeen

*Sigh*

You hunt yet you know so little of the bullets the police use. They won't go "almost anywhere" after hitting the the rear window or metal car parts. I was a deputy in Texas for 17 years and I saw a lot of vehicles shot up like Swiss cheese. For the most part bullets that hit the glass are deflected very little and bullets that hit the metal parts are usually stopped right where they hit.

Next?

I suspect a dead driver may have increased that risk...

At least you're not making any ASSumptions.....

Not if she was dead after only travelling 20 feet.

We'll just have to disagree.
Not a cop, but I would prefer to err on the side of not shooting kids.

Wondered when your cop-hatin' azz was gonna come out from under your rock.

I just virtually quoted your earlier remark. I really don't have a dog in this fight.

BTW...I was in this thread long before you crawled out from under your rock....

Lets make her go another nine pages. He should have killed them all and let God sort it out.

Shouldn't those three bimbo bishes be held accountable for bringing kids to a shoplifting. They knew what they were doing. They intended to use them as shields so to speak.

For what its worth, they wouldn't want me on that jury.

Now carry on.

Houston ain't Texas, just nearby.

this whole sordid affair proves once and for all, that officer safety, real or imagined, trumps everything.

Good one!

Seems like he could have side stepped and taken down the plate info, instead of shooting into a car with kids inside.

I know nothing about this incident but I would almost bet that there were either no plates or stolen plates. miles

When did this occur? I've checked the Houston Chronicle and it is not mentioned in the past week.

Last Friday IIRC.

12-7-12

Gunner

Well, she sure likes (liked) purple.

Picture a car parked in a typical mall/store parking space. You are standing in the open, drivers side doorway, wrestling with the driver. She begins to accelerate backwards...

Like it, or not (and whether you would do the same thing, or not), anything a person has to do to stay alive at that point is okay.

YEP!

If somebody will just dig up the Tucson Swat Team shooting,we can let this one die.

The same players arguing the same sides.Jose's wife was going to the pen , blah,blah,blah.

How'd THAT turn out for you Magnumdud ?

Yeah, it does. Being an LEO is not a suicide pact with the state, nor is a LEO required to go in harm's way as do the members of our military. They are paid to take calculated risks that would make you puzzies wet your depends. But they are not required to DIE. The most important thing is to return home, alive, and at least physically intact, at the end of every shift. Period.

Officer survival is drummed into the heads of every LEO in America from the first day they begin the academy to when they retire. And, they're not just told in a repeating mantra "officer survival, officer survival...". They are taught to recognize the signs of a possible confrontation and to diffuse/deescalate it if at all possible. If they can't diffuse a problem they are not paid to insert themselves into it if it seems too dangerous. Time is on the LEOs side. If some crazy wants to go out in a blaze of glory, and there are no innocents in the way, the police can and do stand back and let him implode. If there are innocents at risk the police will cross that line of officer survival in an attempt to take out the threat...but they don't have to. Just recently most departments enacted a policy called the "active shooter" policy to deal with situations like Columbine. Read about it. There are civil remedies for complainants who can convince a jury that an officer was negligent in saving his own life...but victory for the fool who tried to kill the officer is fleeting.

Here's another bone for you boneheads to chew on; if the population did not want to be policed the police absolutely could not do their jobs. Another tidbit; American LEOs enjoy the support of a very large majority of Americans. So there are a half-dozen or so cop-haters on this board. Big deal; this board has over 10,000 members. I'm pleased that the vocal flat-earth cop-hatin' minority accounts for no more than 0.1% of the board membership.

Officer survival first, last and always. Live with it...or not.

like I said, 'real or imagined'..............

Pay up sucka!!! Lol

I'm picturing the parking lot. By report the officer standing between the drivers seat and front door when the driver threw it into reverse and stomped on the gas. I can see where he would feel for his life the chances are very good that he would be atleast knocked down by the door which would allow the driver to turn the wheel and run over him. (One scenario).
He also.could have been dragged after being stuck under the door. I believe he drew, and fired at the driver but due to vehicle movement, stress of the situation he hit the passeneger in the back seat. If this is what the evidence shows, then its a good shoot his intent was to stop the threat to himself, precidence shows that a vehicle is a deadly weapon and a use of deadly force.

I believe if you took the time to read some case law you would find judges and juries use the word "perceived" and they give LEOs the benefit of the doubt due to their training. Perceived just means it hasn't happened yet but the officer perceives the threat to be imminent based on the totality of the circumstances. THAT means you can't cherry-pick the parts of an incident that offend your delicate feelers; you have to consider everything that happened, when it happened, and the officer's perception of events.

I hadn't seen one yet that didn't like purpa

Looks like she went swimming last week and an angler broke off a good #5 hook in her nose, she musta flopped real hard and shook loose.

Gunner

tripped and fell into a tackle box huh?

Finally, common sense in a sea of irrational cop hatred.

Dem Damn KFC buckets left lying about R dangerous. Whooopppp, slip, faceplant......

Gunner

As has been pointed out by other TEXANS; Houston operates a lot different than rural Texas.

The cop will lose his badge, - and, after much huffing and puffing by the D.A.- the two women will go free.

The family of the dead one will get a payday from the County.

Dat precidence will git 'em ever time.

And....... "passe negar" is a good word play.

I'm goin' huntin'.Maybe I'll stop laughing by the time I get to the pasture.

Glad I'm retired 'cuz I no longer have to give a [bleep]. The denizens of da 'hood have a lengthy history of using kids as shields and Trojan Horses. Can't tell ya how many times we found the coke hidden somewhere in the baby bassinete or stroller. Can't tell ya how many times the gangbanging woman hid the gun in the kids blankie while out doing something. It became very difficult to consider ANYBODY from the 'hood as "innocents" as they were being taught how to be outlaw very nearly from birth. Drag them into the fire and they get burned too and I have lost my ability to feel any care or sympathy. One got killed on this one. I have no care for the others any longer. Ya want to raise kids that way, I do NOT care any longer.

Trayvon got his start this way. Hasbeen

The voice of experience, Thanks Jim.

Gunner

It is a VERY bitter experience Gunner. Best avoided. This incident in question is likely only a tiny pimple on the carcass of a very diseased body. Translated: Those women have been doing LOTS of crap for a very long time and "Found the Formula" for getting away with things most of the time. It caught up to one of them big time and I can't dredge up any care for any involved.

Clearly the cop should have just allowed the woman to kill him with her car.

I can see that, and dont blame ya a bit ET.

Gunner

Mother has a criminal history of her own, I'd say.

That'd be a safe bet.

Gunner

Houston, Texas - Cop will get a good markmanship badge.

In any of Blue states he would be in big trouble.

Fixed


Clyde

Excellent observation Clyde, you are absolutely correct. You command of the English language (and verbal tense) is to be commended!

Guess I missed that part. How many kids were shot?

I think your imagination is working overtime.

That cop not only will NOT lose his badge, he'll be back on duty in two weeks.

The Flat Earthers agree with you 100%.

WTF? He missed the other two!

Well I guess one is better than none.

Job well done officer, Go home and have a beer on me.

Well they're gonna lock two up anyways.

Good one! lol

Got blood all over it, Walmart will have a red light special!

I thought the nose ring looked hot!

I don't see a sea....A couple of ripples maybe but no sea.

If Obama had sired a clown.....

It's early yet, Sasquach and Malarky haven't found their callings.

Houston is one big ass cesspool filled with [bleep], in my 30+ years in that nasty city many LEO's died in the line of duty. I am surprised I did not lose one of many friends that went straight from high school to HPD, PPD or Harris County in the early 80's.

Any injuries to, or the death of minors in the car would have been the fault of the stupid bitch behind the wheel, SHE put those kids in danger, period.

When she tried to run the deputy down that's exactly what she did.

But, I'd bet any amount of money anyone cares to that the deputy knew exactly where those kids were in the car, and they weren't [bleep]' starin' out the back glass at the deputy who had just about been run down by the car they were in.

As an aside, most people tend to think of Houston as a semi-rural town. They don't realize it is now the third largest metropolis in the country, behind Los Angeles and New York.

Spent some time 3 years ago working in Houston with local LEO's. Yep a very big city.

Plus saw first hand all of problems caused by the recent Katrina transplants.

Yeah, that little injection of Cheeto heads didn't help much.

Or the flood of junk from Mexico, Central and South America.

It infuriated me to see the Mexican flag displayed all around the city.

The dope business used to be kinda isolated to the south side with all the South Americans and Jamaicans, but I'm not sure there are any cultural boundaries left inside the beltway.

You have definitely got that right. I drove Semi for J.H. Rose Trucking out of Houston in the early 80's and that experience taught me one thing.

If you wanted to give this Country an enema you should plug it in in Houston!

LOL....from what I've heard Seattle is paradise compared to Houston...

I help train security officers & this cop violated every rule I know associated with shoplifters. This first rule of an officer or cop involved in a shoplifting incident is to keep everyone safe. We are discussing a misdemeanor not a felony or a terrorist attack. Attempting to open a car door in a crowded parking lot was his first mistake. Virtually all officers carry radios or cell phones to summon assistance. A description of the car & possible tag number would have resulted in several police vehicles stopping the get away car in short order. When the officer opened the car door the incident may have become deadly. Video footage & witnesses will probably be able to confirm or deny if the officer was indeed subject to being ran over. Firing into a fleeing car with women & children in a crowded parking lot is very
reckless. The second rule of an officer involved in shoplifting is to protect the assists of the merchant. To recover a few hundred dollars of merchandise Wal-Mart will almost certainly settle a civil law suite out of court with the relatives of the deceased women for millions. This officer hardly fulfilled the obligation of protecting the clients assists. Its easy to justify the officers actions if one doesn't consider the ramifications. I know the difficult job LEO's & S/O's are subjected to, but this will not go well for the cop & Wal-Mart.

Seattle is pretty much paradise period, except for it's inhabitants. Then again, Houston is pretty much occuppied by the same people and 40% illegal aliens.

Shooting at a fleeing car almost always fails in stopping the car.

Apparently this cop thought he was a good enough shot to thread his bullet through the glass, past the other passengers, around the head rest and hit the driver

kinda like Florida would be a great place to live, were it not for all the illegals from South America and Haiti, and the hoards of canadians socialists and damn yankee liberals that have moved in.

Exactly right. There is no doubt that the Gulf Coast will be going the way of California.

Here's a place for those of you that want to help the cause...

http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/houston-movement-grows.html

It was stated mulitple times in the thread, the driver could have been backing up with the door open.

Or she could have floored it in reverse with the door open.

Either way, I don't think anyone *here* knows for certain.

Walmart security guard shoots 'shoplifting' mother dead in parking lot as she tries to escape with two young children



By James Nye

PUBLISHED:11:09 EST, 8 December 2012| UPDATED: 23:55 EST, 8 December 2012

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A 27-year-old mother of two has been fatally shot by an off-duty sheriff's deputy after he suspected her of shoplifting at a Houston Walmart.


Harris County Sheriff's deputies have said that victim Shelly Frey, Tisa Andrews and Yolanda Craig were stealing when they were confronted by Louis Campbell a 26-year veteran of the force who works as a security guard at the store.


According to Campbell the women ran to their car and when he rushed to open the door, they accelerated away - at which point he fired the deadly shot into the car which hit Frey in the neck.


Security at the store on the 14000 block of the North Freeway had noticed the three women 'stuffing items inside their purses' and notified Campbell, who was working an extra job that evening.


Investigators with Harris County said the three women even attempted to pay for some small items to act as a cover for the shoplifted ones.

After chasing Frey and the other two women to their car, Campbell opened the door and commanded Frey to get out. But she refused, officials said

Andrews began to drive away while the deputy was standing between the open door and the driver's seat.
'She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy,' said Harris County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Deputy Thomas Gilliland.

'He confronted the suspects at exit of the store before they left. One female wouldn't stop, struck the deputy with her purse, ran off.'

'I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being ran over, he discharged his weapon at that point.'


Tiasa Andrews, Yolanda Craig were arrested at 1300 block of Greens Parkway where their friend Shelly Frey had died from her gunshot wounds

Inside the car as it was speeding away were two small children - investigators have said that they were not Frey's children.


Gilliland said it was clear that the deputy was law enforcement.


'He was clearly marked in uniform as a Harris County deputy. And identified himself as the suspects were leaving the establishment,' said Gilliland to KHOU.Com

Despite the shooting, the women fled but eventually they stopped at The Worthington at the Beltway apartments in the 1300 block of Greens Parkway.


Paramedics from the Houston Fire Department arrived to try and save Frey, but she was pronounced dead at the scene.


'Shelly was the perfect mom, perfect friend, perfect daughter,' said her father, Shelton Frey.


He said that his daughter had moved to Houston after Hurricane Katrina to start a new life, but the amount of work she could do was limited by her two-year-old who has sickle cell anemia.










The deceased's mother Sharon Wilkerson was devastated that the deputy fired into a car with two small children inside and killed her daughter


'Why couldn�t you just shoot the tire, shoot the window?' said her mother Sharon Wilkerson. 'Was it that serious?'


She added that even if her daughter had committed a crime, she did not deserve to die and she worries now for her two young grandchildren.


'How do I tell these children she's not coming back,' said Sharon.


'To me, it should never (have) happened. I wish the officer didn�t shoot her. I wish he shot her tires just to slow her down. That�s a mother you know. And now they have to figure out what to do with the kids,' said Angel Gaines, a neighbor.


Kesha Sapp, a woman who knew Frey, agreed.

'What that look like with him shooting with the darn kids in the car? There were kids in the car with them. Why is he shooting at the car? Come on now, that makes him look bad. That don�t even look right,' said Sapp.


Both Andrews and Craig, the two other women allegedly involved, have been charged with shoplifting.


Tragically, Frey wasn't even supposed to be at a Walmart that evening.


Earlier in the year she pleaded guilty to stealing shirts and a package of meat from another Walmart and as part of her plea arrangement she agreed to never enter Walmart stores again.

Deputy Campbell is on three days paid leave as is standard protocol. He's been with the Harris County Sheriff's Office for 26 years.


The Harris County Sheriff's Homicide Unit, Office of the Inspector General and the Harris County District Attorney's Office will investigate this incident. The case will be turned over to a grand jury.


Walmart offered the following statement: 'This is a tragic situation and we recognize this is a difficult time for all parties involved. We're committed to working with law enforcement and providing any information we have as they determine the facts of the case. Because this is an active investigation, any specific details of the incident should come from law enforcement.

'We hire off duty officers to provide security to some of our stores. While we have policies in place for our associates to disengage from situations that might put them or others in harm's way, off-duty officers working at a WM store are authorized to act in accordance with their department's code of conduct.'


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Tell them that she was stealing stuff and the police shot her. Maybe they will not grow up to be thieves, but the odds are against it. miles

Why would anyone be upset over ridding the country of another Black Ghetto Thief. To bad someone didn't shoot this Black Piece of Chit before the election, one less vote the magic N-ER would have gotten, if she even voted, which i seriously dough. Maybe Walmart can write off the lost on the goods at tax time these three thief's got blood all over . I bet the cop gets sued for messing up her make-up, which she probably stoled from WalMart

Does te county have any liability? I have often wondered if a local LEO while working in uniform for another entity lost his imunity or if it is transfered to the wage payer or what

I'm surprised he was even armed working for a dept store

no shortage of azzholes in Houston no doubt, population that large it just figures

but while i only lived there one year, part of my reason for leaving was I was amazed how corrupt the cops as a whole seemed to be, some nasty chit went down while I lived there, and a pard stayed and eventually opened up a bar, but he made the mistake of declining to have the local police serve as bouncers when they were off duty, within a few days his place got shot up and the bouncer he'd hired fled out the back door.



but I don't blame the cop on this shoot, I believe with the facts I have at hand he was justified.


taking her kids with her reminds me of a great one liner here recently

TLee was using different phrases to wish different faiths happy holidays


when some joker piped up with "and to the rest a felonious Kwanza"

cracked me up, but it appears that's what this crack ho was up to just providing a felonious Kwanza to her kids.

When the crooks are caught it is never their fault. And by the way what they were doing really wasn't that bad. Hasbeen

Another "Flat Earther"... according to Magnumdud.

Just because you could be qualified as an "expert witness" in this very case, who are you to dis-agree with our resident Barney Fife?......

Another person nails it, again.

It was shoplifting, all she had to do was keep her hands on the wheels and follow directions. She may have been released the next day to shoplift again.

Instead, she chose to be stupid, put other people at risk including children and she is dead, SHE was the problem, period.

A very well-written and cogent post. That's how I see it as well. Yes she most definitively tried to kill him or at least severely injure, but the crap she stole was just not worth this mess. Stand by for Al Sharpton and his crew to get energized over this. I see the usual "white-sheet" crowd's already spewed their hatred....

At what point does it get worth it? So your solution is to keep letting them steal over and over? I hate thieves and wish to see stealing eliminated, if it takes a thief losing his/her life, well they chose their profession. miles

If the punishment is supposed to fit the crime, and it is OK to shoot a fleeing KNOWN shoplifter, what is the proper action for a KNOWN mass murderer?

Maybe a nuclear strike?

Getting a car stopped "in short order" is a flight of fancy at the best of times. A Cop working a detail has to have Dept. clearance and is bound by Dept policies and procedures. Security officers are bound by a state's General Business Law. The Depity has the power of arrest and that changes everything. He HAS to make an attempt at apprehension and his powers and responsibilities do NOT end at the entrance of ANY store.

She can tell 'em the same thing the thieving bitch told 'em about their daddy, those kids aught to be used to that by now.

Gunner

Obviously you did not read the post I was commenting on and I see you are from the Bristoe school of cherry picking comments to suit your point of view. If you'd bothered to read it and capture what bear was trying to say, she would have been caught anyway by merely annotating her licence number and calling/radioing on duty Police Officers to deal with it.

I'm curious, Jorge........... how did you establish the fact that she tried to "kill him, or at least severely injure him"?

Did I miss a video ?

This really appears to me to be a case of a cop losing his temper, rather than being in fear of losing his life.

I'm bettin' that Harris County will roll over on this quickly so that Al and Jesse don't come to town.

"Andrews began to drive away while the deputy was standing between the open door and the driver's seat.
'She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy,' said Harris County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Deputy Thomas Gilliland."

On the previous page, according to Dept Spokesman and I'll believe him until proven otherwise.

Her death has nothing to do with the stuff she stole,amigo. You try to run over a cop after first being halted and commanded to leave your vehicle, you become a mortality statistic.

Another dead,dumb bitch.

COMPLETELY agree with the above statement, but my point is and well explained by bear, he should not have gotten himself exposed to that level of danger over menutiae. Tell her to stop and if she doesn't call in her plate number etc, but yes once he allowed himself to be placed in harm's way, of course he was justified to cap her. He gets an "f" in judgment if I were his CO.

I certainly understand that angle and I couldn't credibly laugh it off. It would be a entirely different thread if the kids were injured or killed. I'm thinking his shot was less than 2-5 yards in distance when he pulled the trigger.

They all had choices to make.

Jorge, I agree with you . But chances are the car was stolen , very least the plates. Texas had to go to decals affixed to the inside of the windshield for current registration. This was because you could not keep the plates on your car because the reg sticker used to be on the plates. In order to register you car it has to be inspected and you had to show proof of insurance . Hasbeen

Just hanging back and getting the tag # and calling them in doesn't by any stretch guarantee an apprehension, or even an encounter by on-duty officers. It MAY, but it MAY NOT depending on a multitude of factors.

Maybe it was stolen, but the circle-jerk argument at least in my mind comes back to "Am I going to risk life and limb for ANYTHING sold at Wal-Mart." I deal with this stuff daily in my present job and believe me what my people guard here IS worth losing your life for, in fact we advertise that should anyone try and be so foolhardy...

There's a BIG gap between "putting it in reverse" and, "tried to run over the deputy".It's called "intent", and a plantiff's lawyer would tear it apart.

"This thuggy poleeceman is callin' us all kinds of racial stuff and threatening us,and I was just tryin' to get away befo' he shoots one of us".

Here's some conjecture on my part; I GUARANTEE the video will show the thuggette tried to run him over.

JorgeI,

You offer this GUARANTEE and I wonder what info you have that we don't and how you plan to honor this if you are wrong

You need to read TBear's post before you jump on the Harris County bandwagon,counselor.

Have you forgotten how he blacked your ass in the Tucson Swat killin'?

The GUARANTEE is based on my impeccable judgment, and if I'm wrong I'll admit it as I always do. What do you want, money?

Jorge,please go back to Bob's post contains the story from the paper.You have to admit that the Dep't spokesman's statement is somewhat dis-jointed and the events are not given chronologically.

Then, click on the red link, "read more", at the bottom of the page and read THAT account.It makes more sense and omits ANY reference to putting the car in reverse and trying to run over him.

I've got a new laptop and have not figured out how to "copy and paste" links on it.

I'm just going on intuition....that woman tried to run him down and if I'm wrong, well I'll own up but the statement I read, which is the one I have to go on for now, supports my ASSumption.

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Huh? You're speaking pre-caffeine,I guess.

I did read tbear's post. It changes nothing. You must not have read mine.

Are you speaking of the big money that Az family made on the swat killing as you so boldly and repetitively predicted? Who was right about that,again? Ballsy for you to have the nerve to bring it up,being a epic fail for you,and all.

Are you claiming that Jose's wife REALLY went to jail as you predicted?

And she got no money?

Do you have information about it you can post?

The last I heard from a local was that the wife was doing just fine, but wasn't talking about the outcome.

Oh..................... and Jose, the former Marine, was still dead.

If you read the link I mentioned,you will see the story has changed.Now the cops claim that after he opened her door, she placed the car in DRIVE and drove away.The spokesman says" I think she knocked him off balance and at that point he fired into the car".

That's not verbatim but close enough.

Then he's [bleep] if the videos support the statement and that will be a shame.

Nice try with your avoidance approach. You were going on and on and on about the civil suit, remember. And now some silliness about what tbear posted in that thread that had little to do with anything.

"...last you heard"? That's some powerfully persuasive stuff there,amigo.

And yeah...the former Marine is dead. That's a unfortunate by-product of gang related drug distributions, home invasions and murder,not to mention pointing a assault rifle at a swat crew.

How many cops lost their jobs over it, again? How many were true billed after a grand jury proceeding, again?

If you read the link I mentioned,you will see the story has changed.Now the cops claim that after he opened her door, she placed the car in DRIVE and drove away.
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laffin'...She was parked in a parking spot. Think about it. You'll get there.

Hey, you got me mixed up with someone who had confidence in the CJ system.I don't believe I said , or thought, the cops would be prosecuted.

I said the wife would get a big payday.TBear agreed.

You said she would be convicted and go to the pen.

With your connections it should be easy for you to prove that she went to the pen,or at least was convicted of something.

On the other hand, it's not possible for an uninterested party to find proof of a payday.

On the other hand, it's not possible for an uninterested party to find proof of a payday.
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When there's a lawsuit and the city or town is the defendant?

Ok,got it! I admire a guy who still tries to dig his way out of a hole. For a while, anyways.

Damn, you're a lot of trouble. Since you won't read the HOUSTON link,which was the parent of the link YOU posted, and since I can't copy and paste,I wrote it out in longhand.Here 'tis:

Campbell confronted the women as they left the store.

One woman allegedly hit him with her purse.

Campbell chased Frey around the parking lot and she got in a car.

Campbell opened the door and commanded them to stop, but THE CAR WAS PLACED IN DRIVE AND MOVED FORWARD,INVESTIGATORS SAID.

"I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being run over, he discaharged his weapon at that point" said Thomas Gilliland, H.C.S.O.


ALL this info comes from a link YOU posted.

Hey...I can't even copy and paste..Remember?

You,on the other hand,being a criminal defense att'y can have her conviction record and sentence posted before TRH can cuss a cop.

It's the ONLY way out of your hole.

What happened to all the players?

I 'specially miss the speculators.You know, the car is stolen.Frey's mother has a criminal record.He was shooting at the driver who was trying to back over him.The cop knew exactly where the kids were.etc.,etc.

But the REAL story,according to the police.

Frey was the one he chased around the parking lot until she got in the car.Frey was the one he shot.She wasn't the driver.

The cop shot the one he had been chasing..... NOT the driver.

Where's ol' Magnumdummy?

We all had to go back to work to support these crack-smoking thieving SOAMFB's.

Gunner

I don't believe old cur lives in Texas . I think he must be in Minisoootoe. Hasbeen

Is "Ghetto Queen" - Republican for "black"?

I'm trying to learn the "code".

I believe these were Katrina ladies. Hasbeen

Hasbeen '45, LOL

That's a trick for sure.

Sorry I couldn't help myself. Hasbeen

Open the windows, let in some fresh air, change your bong-water, then you'll understand.

Gunner

Maybe it's "hag" or "bitch"?

No, it's "thief", you wouldn't understand the deterrent factor in a thief being relieved of his hands at the wrists?

Gunner

Your "believer" and your "thinker" is way out of whack,neighbor.

I bet you would be far less sympathetic if 500,000 prime examples of that cesspool trash was sent up to the Panhandle to share your space.

You know for sure he's in the panhandle. I thought was snowed in. Already stir crazy. Hasbeen

I don't have to be sympathetic to thieving welfare queens to be unsympathetic toward trigger-happy cops and their knee-jerk supporters on this forum.

And i'll bet many of the hardasses here would be far less cocksure if that cops bullet carried on to do some close to home collateral damage..

If I was in the Panhandle, I wouldn't list NORTH TEXAS as my location.

And if a half-million of them types moved up here,I'd move someplace else.

The only knee jerking is being done by those who resent authority . I support law enforcement until proven other wise. Their not always right in their actions but I would say about 95 percent. Hasbeen

There's a cadre of "cops do no wrong" posters on here.Some are cops and ex-cops, and I reckon the rest just favor bureaucrats of ALL stripes.

There are also some members of the LEO community who can smell a slimy cop shooting incident and refrain from posting on these threads.They are not so self-centered that they take justified criticism of individual cops as being attacks on themselves.

I wonder if this cop was addicted to donuts? It might explain why the "shootee" outran him thru the parking lot!

I just posted the police report.The fact that it doesn't support all the speculation favorable to the cop is a problem for the speculators, not me.

No, run from the cops , pull a gun, try to run over etc. you asking for trouble. Can you lips say justified. Try it ,I know it will hurt, but you'll be ok. Hasbeen

Thats a pretty thin statement..If we dont buy into the story and all the blind support of it, it's because we resent authority?

Ran from the cop? Yep,it appears as if she did.

Pull a gun? Haven't read anything about a gun being pulled on the cop in question.

Try to run over him? She wasn't driving a car.

You sound like cop.

General actions that will put your life in danger. Not all happened in this case but pull any one off these and don't cry about the concequences. Hasbeen

I just love the way you guys all get in a nut kicking contest.

Now to set something straight. North Texas is more the D/FW area over to Wichita Falls. The Panhandle is more the Childress over thru Plainview to the New Mexico line and north area.

Now carry on for another 10 pages.

Damn Man.You argue just like a female.

Throw in some crap that might be true in a general sense but has not one damn thing to do with the present discussion.

And then comment as if I'm "crying" about consequences of actions that NEVER even happened.

Where you gonna put the area from W.F. to Childress?

That's where I am.

I went to school some in Mc Lean and then in Pampa later.

Of course,one of these idiots figgered out I was not even from Texas.

Two out of three is not hard to get even for a hammer head. Hasbeen

Well, its not far from W Falls to Childress. Guess it has to go with North TX.

If you schooled in McLean, we probably know some of the same people.

Heck, I even went to school in Pampa from 67 to 71. (3-7 grades)

You're still sounding like a woman.

Can you even envision that- in accord with the few facts presented by the police spokesman - this cop just might have lost his temper? Maybe pissed 'cause she was faster afoot than him?

Is Deer Park in Harris County? You may get to participate in the payout!

If he shot into the back of the vehicle while it was leaving the scene, any threat was over to the officer.

I was there in the mid to late 'fifties.A bunch of us is dead.

No, he just wished you weren't. There are enough liberals there already.

You need to read what the Harris co. Spokesman said. Until you do your just letting your imagination run wild. Yes I have in Harris co. For 67 years, now I suppose your going to tell me all about it. Hasbeen

This!! Nailed it!!

It might in the Notrh, but you try to run over a cop. You might get shot. It's called assault with a deadly weapon. Hasbeen

Actually, it's attempted Capital Murder; In this instance, the attempted murder of a peace officer in the performance of his duty. It's a 1st degree felony punishable by 5 to 99 years in the state pen and despite not protecting the clients assists [sic] the felony ain't going away no matter what Sharpton and that shake-down criminal Jackson do.

Damn! Now we got TWO feminine style posters on this thread.

Anybody that don't agree with cops killing citizens in questionable circumstances is a "liberal" by your reckoning.

Somehow I doubt that this particular cop is very proud of his actions in this instance.He knows that there is no way in hell he would [hypotheticals are in vogue on this thread,it seems] have followed her crack-dealing boyfriend into a dark alley,but he chased this shoplifting welfare queen across a Walmart parking lot in broad daylight and shot her dead as she was getting away.

I doubt he gets a book deal out of it.

I can agree with that to a point.
If he was standing in front of the vehicle and was being pursued, yes. If the vehicle was leaving the scene (as this was), no.
I'm far from being a cop basher, but this is bullschitt. He put himself in this situation and should have followed protocol on shoplifters. jmho Butch

Oh, so now you call the deputy a coward? I wonder if you even get out of your car if there's a black guy within 200 yards of you. Punk.

Liberal pussy punk.

No, you're a liberal by my "reckoning" because you jump on any cop-hater thread that's posted and begin to spew your ignorance. You and TRH are some [bleep] up bookends.

It has not been established that ANYBODY was in a position to run over him with a car.

It's for DAMN sure the woman he killed didn't try to run over him.

What part of "SHE WASN"T DRIVING" don't you two understand?

Is a Wal-Mart part time security officer still a "peace officer" as stated, or a part time security officer of Wal-Mart? Or is he a "peace officer" working at Wal-Mart part time.

Magnumdouche ain't too bright.

He is a peace officer all the times.

I know several of them around here and no matter what they are doing they are still on the job.

True but that was established along time ago. Just a badge heavy, mustache-ride lovin', washed up old queen. If you don't agree with her that all cops are always right then she get's worked up into a froth. Especially after she's gotten into the bottle...

I usally stay away from these type of threads, but MD just hit me wrong.
If a cop says it's so, then it must be so, BS.
Sounds like a drugstore cowboy who thought I'm gonna teach this beotch who she messin' with.
If he had followed protocol none of this woud have happened (other than the shop lifting) and everyone would be home sleeping.
Now you've got one dead, kids having nightmares, and a cop that should go to jail. Not to mentiom, what it's going to cost Wal-Mart in legal and wrongful death fees.

You noticed that,huh?

Walmart and Harris County will both be paying.

Do you ever watch the commercials that run nationwide for class action lawsuit attorneys? At least 90 percent of them have Houston addresses.

I'm glad it's not just me .

That statement right there proves you don't read but small parts of my posts you dumbphuck; the parts that get your pink undies in a knot. You ignore the rest.

No bottle...don't need it...the stupidity displayed by the resident cop-haters is enough entertainment for me.

Not a cop hater here. But, you could be a good argument to be one. Maybe TRH is right.

You girls post away.

This is the last cop thread I'm going to post on.

Too many jailhouse lawyers posting as "concerned citizens". It makes me nauseous.

The nausea overpowers the entertainment value of your wildly speculative opinions and notions of what occurred.

Good then STFU and GO AWAY!

As only your opinion is the one that matters, right?

TRH is often right....at least as often as magnumbdouche is wrong. Which is often.

Kids in the car...some of you here just lost your man card...you know who you are.

That cop lost his man card also. I hope he has a Merry Christmas

Come on we need the rest of you bleeding heart liberal to surface. Hasbeen

This is page eight on the format I use.Magnumdud is usually "sworn off for good" by page 6 and back in the mix by page 9.

This deal is so indefensible that the members here who are good cops are leaving it the hell alone.Even TRH counts it as beneath his dignity to remark on it.

And......... the kids being in the car are the deal breaker for ANY right-thinking person.

Pretty much.
Quite an abundance of badass mixed with bold faced hypocrisy on this thread

As I said before, I'm not a cop hater,,,,but, cops are a different breed from a few years ago. I've got good friends who are, were cops, and you couldn't tell the difference from anyone else. They would look like any other person you would see on a daily basis.
Now, I can pick a cop in 10 seconds, he'll be shaven bald, have a pair of Oakley's tucked up on his bald head, walks like he's got a corn cob shoved up his ass, looking for someone he can pick on. The "Terminator" comes to mind.
Excuse me, I have ZERO respect for this kind of "cop".
Whether it's trained into them or some other ego driven trip, they've lost a lot of respect in my eyes.
This is what I see when I read this kind story.

Who's "we"..? Your strongest dog in this fight just pulled out do to nausea..

A couple years ago I went to a local lumberyard to get one item.I knew exactly where it was stocked.My watch said 10 minutes til 6 which was closing time on Sunday.

The doors were open and there were shoppers in the store,but a local city cop was standing outside.As I started past him,he said the store was closed.I pointed out it was not yet 6 o'clock.

I can still see his arrogant expression as he said the store was closed when HE said it was closed ! I demanded to talk to a store employee.

He told me that if I didn't leave RIGHT NOW, that he would arrest me for criminal trespass.This is the only time I've regretted having a CHL.I knew he would arrest me,and I'd lose it for a period of time.

As I walked back toward my pickup,the PA system announced that the store would be closing in 5 minutes!

I was at the store next morning and saw the manager.He apologized and said that the PD sent whichever officers THEY chose, leaving the store no choice.

I told him that if I ever saw Officer Martinez at that store again, I was calling the corporate office. I haven't seen him.

This guy obviously should have been washed out of the training academy early on.But there's lots more like him,you can bet.

In my view that is a lot of what is wrong in present day America. We tend to let the little crap slide until it gets big. Then it is a big problem, not a little one and it is across the board, not just at the local WalMart. miles

I don't feel one bit sorry for the consequences that befall a thief caught in the act of thievery, but the law doesn't generally permit lethal force to prevent the escape of thieves. Seemed a pretty reckless use of deadly force, at that. No doubt I'd be in jail were I to duplicate that stunt under identical circumstances, so the same should apply to a cop.

The story reads that the cop shot into the back of the car, after it pulled away. The driver may well have been a threat to the officer's life prior to the time of his drawing and firing, but cops are not privileged to execute folks on the spot for their crimes. That's not self-defense.