You all gotta realize how sick and twisted and perverse and WRONG and VILE this sheet is.........particularly in this economy. No kidding. Lots has been said and changes have been proposed nationally in the last few years about public sector pension outrageousness, lunacy, and pension reform. It is sooooooo badly out of whack..............and incredibly PERVERSE that I can't stand it any more. Let me give you an example of the crud I live with every working day as I work to leave my latest and last government job this fall. Fawkin' loser gov't workers get bigger entitlements than those who went out in the world and actually produced something of value to our working society...........while doing it half-assed and not being held accountable for mistakes and incompetence.

I work with a jackoff who is a degreed civil engineer but has never done any of this since he chose gov't bullsheet cake jobs over the real thing 30 years ago. A state highway department job = what's yellow and sleeps three.........and we alllll know this common joke. That's cuz it's true. This same buffoon has been with my local agency the last 25 years, and he makes more than me. My resume has 16 years of private sector (i.e. actually working for a living) plus public sector experience totaling 25 years. In short......I have the resume and quals and skills and talent..........and he is a laughable joke. He even makes more than me in a lousy department that is a total screw job to a sane, competent, qualified person who has a resume. For two months of the year...........when I have to be in charge of this cretin...........he makes more than me.

And so this idiot who is a total dumschitt gets to retire this fall at age 54 after 30 years of Arizona gov't worker experience. WoooooHooooooo............he worked soooo hard and did soooooo much in his career..........and for America as well. He will retire this fall in great health with a $70,000+ pension from the state pension plan. And.......incredibly.........when he turns 62 he can add $40,000 from social security......giving him a six figure pension for doing nothing more than being a buffoon and hiding in cake-ass government jobs for 30 years. No kidding.........sickening gov't benes for such a loser worker.

How did America arrive at this mickey mouse philosophy of rewarding exactly the wrong kind of worker??? I realize that MUCH has been published the last few years about MUCH needed pension reform...........but when is something gonna be done to end this nonsense?

Sheeeesh. I'm pissed....and I'm out.

Examples of one are very compelling.

Not saying there ain't lots of redundancy that can be cut but I've seen plenty of GS types work LOTS of hours, week in and week out and in dangerous areas to lump them all together.

But you knew that.

Someone's a bit jealous!!

If my kids whined like that they'd get slapped upside the head. You oughtta be ashamed.

Which of you dudes who work in business get to fawk off plus receive pension(s) and lack-of-accountability like this?

Please post up here now.........right fawkin' here and now.

Since when do gov't workers get to be treated better than American workers?

Your ranting on a website FULL of retired gov't people !!

I don't disagree with you. It is out of control. Haters be hatin'..ignore them.

SHEET......my bad.

Oh wait.........I stand my ground right here. Please respond.

Is it even possible to draw $40,000 a year social security? That's $3250ish a month.

Dink

I live in GOV'T central ---everybody and their brother is retired govment ----one lazy azzwipe I know is getting ready to retire from the fire dept. --$55K a year retirement.
Did nothing but lay around and eat -ride out to a car wreck here and there and a fire once in a great while.
While schmucks like me pay for it --build a full custom home for someone and watch the govment steal 40% of the profit --hand it over to their people.

And some of them brag about their 6 figure pensions. Seen it last week as I recall.

People who own or have owned a business realize just how pathetic government worker bullschitt is.
You work hard and smart -create jobs and so forth while the govt jobbers get their guaranteed pay -holiday pay -- health care -retirement --on and on.
While the Producers that pay for it don't get schitt.
Got a neighbor who lives behind me laid out 25 yrs in the military never saw one second of combat etc. -now 79yrs old and hasn't hit a tap since his 40's.
Him and wife always going to theVA doctor b/c they laze around and have never did much of anything while the non gov'ters pay for it all -get nothing but the govmenters bills stripped from their check.

Why don't you quit your pissin and moanin and go be a fireman then? Goodness gracious, like a bunch of 14 year old fat girls complaining about the cheerleaders.

Most government workers in CA don't get SS.

Bingo! That explains why he makes more than you. You have rectal cranial inversion to even think anyone at 62 makes $40k on SS.

Go whine and snivelling somewhere else.

Same thing here, I own a business and they take almost as much as I get and they get theirs first. I recently had a customer go out of business who owes me money. His assets are being liquidated by a broker and the broker told us if there is anything left after the IRS gets theirs the rest of us creditors get what is left. This after he took my product and sold it or for all I know it is still sitting in his warehouse. [bleep] the government and its "workers".

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Good idea we'll just all get gov't jobs and uh lets see who we can get to pay for it all ---i'll have to get back to you on that one.....
You wouldn't talk like that if you ever owned a business !!!

Nail hit squarely.

Have you ever owned a business and paid your own way or have you always depended on someone else?

Grow the fawk up. Anybody who makes $89k today (for being a derelict or not) does indeed get that much SS at 62....okay maybe at 65 instead of 62. Same diff. Clue in and get a fawkin grip.

ColKlink , Yep that's govment for you.

I know a blowhard here locally -retired military [paper shuffler not soldier] gets $80K a year retirement -and has a govtment job making over $200K a year --said his qualification are "HE KNOWS THE GUY WITH THE BIG CHECK BOOK ON BASE"..

His type are as much to blame for the demise of this country as the soul brothers lazing around in the hood getting 'they check' ..

When did bi&ches start comin' on the fire, suck it the [bleep] up. You got the same opportunities everyone else does, dont whine about your career choice.

I've worked for myself, for a family business that's been around since 1965, for private companies and for the government. So don't give me some sad sob story about how bad life is. I've BTDT.

If life sucks for you, do something about it. I did.

And put down the bottle. You're embarrassing yourself.

Did another guvmenter get rooted out ?

So you're self employed ?

What in the world are you talking about?

Read my first post slowly and cleanly.

Oh wait...........can you read at all????

The average monthly check from social security is $1230 a month. No way is he drawing three times the average.

He makes more than you probably because he can do simple math and he's figured out you can't.

Dink

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So are you self employed ?

I may be a rare bird. A retired gov worker who actually produced a product.

Helped build electronic and paper maps used to blow up rag heads, and whatever.

Got paid union scale, no complaints there, no SS, good retirement; but nothing like the numbers I see tossed around on here.

Government worker MOFO.

That's true, we do all have the same opportunities, and I chose to start a business. Why should those on the government tit have more and better benefits than I can provide for myself and my employees when I am paying their tab? Please answer that.

Ahhhhhhh..........these outrageous numbers. My point exactly.............

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You must have missed the part that we can't all be guvmenters .
And I never said or thought I made a bad career choice -I just stated that paying huge amounts of taxes while working hard and smart sucks when you see govt workers making as much or more than business owners and getting retirements and health care along the way.
Remember if you can someone has to produce something somewhere .
That's what the conversation is about.

Who knows? Maybe you suck at your business.

Nah, gotta be Obama's fault huh?

I am a Goverment worker that can do simple math and detect bullchit. I guess the private sector does not have much to choose from.

Wanna know something?.....I get to draw $50,000 a year social security starting at age 55. Sorry for bad decision making.

Dink

The conversation is about you being drunk and measuring the worth of your life based on the size of someone else's bank account.

I don't suck at my business at all but I know I'm sick of paying for lazy azz govt employees who don't contribute schitt to the economy or anything else. I guess you feel you are entitled to the lion's share of what I produce, eh?

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Who are you referring to ?

BINGO......BINGO........BINGO......

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I haven't drank a drop -too tired to make it to the grocery store.
My bank account is fine -just stated that paying huge amounts of taxes and it gets handed to govt workers and such.
Anyway i'll let you get back to running your business LOL.
You are self employed right laffn

No, I'm not. Try to keep up.

No. In fact, given the choice I'd opt to not have anything you produce. I'm sure the product is swell, but the source is questionable.

Why? Because I don't like forking over half of what I make to the government? At some point there will be more people like you and less like me and then who will pay the bills?

So...what makes you think he is an idiot, the fact that he has done better than you?

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I can keep up --I didn't need an answer on whether or not you are self employed it was a rhetorical question.< That means I already knew the answer .

Of course not. I already told you all in my first message that I am a successful private sector Civil Engineering Manager with a huge resume. Plus.....now I spend my days 2 doors down from this CS watching all of this horsesheet go down.

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Did you read the first post or do you think the OP poster is lying ?
Or do you think people working for the govt deserve more --??

LOL, I pay taxes too. So I'll help with the bills.

And your hard working life has made room for an average of thirteen posts every day since you joined. That's nice.

Posts aside, I own a business and pay my own way 100%.

How 'bout you, chief?

BD.........if I'm reading your latest post correctly.....I am ten times the man that you are cuz I have contributed to our society in the form of deliverable work product. And you spend yer evenings here defending your bullsheet posts trying to compete with this. I am better than you and ALL lifeling gov't workers. This is my whole, entire point here. Get it.....okay????

Can I make this any clearer for ya?

LOL

Doubtful. He's too deluded by his own self importance. Government employees are REALLY important and necessary.

The ssa.gov website states the maximum benefit for an individual worker at full retirement age in the year 2013 is $2,533/mo., which includes a COLA increase of $20/mo. over the 2012 max benefit. Based on the average SS cost of living increases of recent years it's not likely to increase anywhere near the amounts mentioned earlier in this thread. The only way I've heard of for an individual to substantially increase their SS retirement benefits above the maximum limit is to postpone collecting SS beyond max. retirement age as long as possible. But then you could die before ever getting a penny.

http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/factsheets/colafacts2013.htm

I think that instead of bitching at total strangers the OP would do better to go get a Govie job if that is what turns him on...if not then stop being a puzzy.

And no...I am not public sector, yes I have owned my own business, yes I am currently running someone else's business, no I do not really give a toss about someone snivelling on about their lack of benefits.

You 'pay' taxes from tax revenue already generated from the private sector, or money printed out of thin air, at interest, by the Fed.

So no, you don't help with the bills.

No no, it is clear enough...you are a wanker.

Bye.

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Not being a jerk here -but you've missed the point.

I already got one STUDLY.........that is a large portion of my overall point here.

Read my first post again..........VERY carefully.

Incorrect, the OP is railing against the inequity of .gov employee's having perceived benefits superior to his own, and seems particularly incensed that the fellow about to retire is his inferior yet is set to receive more than the OP.

As I said...he is a puzzy.

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Don't bother...you have nothing worthwhile to hear.

J,

You are pretty dam close with that one, partner. Except I'm no candy-ass.

Actually..........you are correct to state that I am incensed about an unqualified jackoff buffoon being treated better than I by this 'always right and never wrong' society that we live in. I'm better than this.........and have no further place in it.

While I'm not directly exposed to it in my private sector job, I have/had quite a bit of family and close friends that have been involved with 'gravy train'. The common thread in all parties from VA medical, Submarine Base, AFB, & local training facilities is the amount of dead weight versus what you'd find in a job with private sector accountability. Some have since left said jobs from utter disgust of its operation. Granted, someone filled the slot before they had left the building but they have a clear conscience. Or so I've been told.

I vowed I'd never be someone else's burden and I hope I never am.

I work for a company that, short of those working for the gov't, probably has as good a pension plan there is. If I retire before age 50, regardless of years of service, my pension payments start when I turn 65. For every year I retire before age 60, 5% per year is deducted from my pension. If I work to age 60 and have at least 20 years of service I will collect a maximum pension of about 55% of my pay averaged for the 3 years before I retire, i.e., this is the maximum pension available. Can't see why public employees should see better and, frankly, in time we will not be able to afford paying so. Throw on an azzload of disability bullshit in the public sector and, well, you know. The VA was trying to throw money at my Father for "disabilities" and he flatazz refused. He was appalled.

No worker should expect any more than that.

I'm a "government" worker. I'm on my 32nd year. We are eligible for "retirement" at 20. If I retired today, my heath insurance for my family and I would cost $1100 more per month than I would receive in pension. Not all "governments" pay the same.

You can sit around; bitch, moan, whine, punch yourself in the balls....

or you can stfu

or, lastly... you can also get said govt job or one similar and make society a better place. Unless your ingrained traits bubble to the surface and manifest themselves to be the same as your most esteemed colleague.


That's what I did. After being sassed and regulated by zealous dolts for 15 years in two different small businesses I owned and operated, I ditched, finished my BS and got one of those "govt tits" to milk.

And it's not always the cake-walk that people make it out to be. The most difficult part is not losing my cool with [bleep] idiots pick a rainy day to come camp out in my lobby with an arrogant self-serving holier than Thou attitude like they're at the top of the entitlement food chain and our office team is their wait staff. Somehow, I manage with a smile to deliver all their data requests with usually an instaneous efficiency, and all with a smile. I make a lot of lazy govt mfkers look good.

Oh well, I serve a segment of society that actually produces, so for the most part I'm interacting with like minded individuals. Makers as opposed to takers.


And yes, I dayum sure love my 30 days worth of paid sick, vacation and holiday leave plus that $46 a month health plan. It's gonna buy me a kidney hopefully in a few years.

grins

There is a huge difference between a police officer, fire fighter, EMT, etc. and a government bureaucrat drawing a check. I would have thought that most here could tell the difference. I could have easily taken that road when I got out of the army. Hell my Granddad was the former fire chief and his brother police chief. The only reason I didn't was the money. This is Texas, oil & gas is where the money is.

We are seeing the very early stages of a two tier society. The ruling class elite and its well compensated minions to keep it going, and private sector [working class] to support it.

http://www.cato.org/blog/increasing-burden-government-employees-taxpayers

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/why_government_bureaucrats_abuse_taxpayers.html

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-05-16.html

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1455522740

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/02/government-employees-true-1-percent/

Hey Ol_Mike

I'm one of those "Lazy Azz" guys who gets to sit around and eat, go to a car wreck or an occasional house fire.

Its pretty sweet.... I'm eligible to retire in Sept. But I'm gonna hold out for 7 more years cause I can squeeze more $ out of guys like you and then get a bunch more when I finally retire.

Thanks Man!

ps. you sir can KISS MY ASS

You and I have very different way of seeing things...I see no difference between myself and any of the instances you mention above, we are all just working to feed our families and pay our bills...and I in no way feel superior because I am employed in private industry.

Is this employment class thing common in the US?

The answer is simple...ban Public Employee Scam Organizations (aka fake "unions")

Make everyone live by the same rule, pay for your own retirements, private and public alike.

No Taxpayer funded Pensions for Politicians, none what so ever.

Privatize where ever possible. The Taxpayers are paying 17 Billion dollars a year to deliver mostly junk mail.

And let's not forget...far too many of these Public Employee "Unions" run with the blue crowd. The crowd that has expanded a massive attack on the Taxpayers wallets, a crowd that has taken over our schools, a crowd that has supported gun bans, a crowd that has supported illegals, a crowd that has well....really messed up things.

You can't play on both sides of the street.........

Never said I was superior. But I do hold first responders in higher regard than many if not most bureaucrats. We are currently seeing in the news what happens when government bureaucracy gets out of control.

Now that is funny!

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KR13 I disagree with your comment about police -fire fighters -emt .
I stated in one of my replies about a fireman who is set to retire and receive $55K per year according to him.
OK he's early 50's -say he draws that pay until he dies at 88 years old 35 x $55K nearly 2 million dollars with nothing figured in other than his retirement.
That's just ONE person !
There are tens of thousands of people like this ,and the only way it can be paid is to RAISE TAXES add in MORE FEES.
The guy i'm talking about -his wife works for the school system -she will receive as much as he does in a few years -so double these numbers .
That's just one household in a region FULL of Gov't retirees --and people can't figure out why things are the way they are ?

There was a group of Doctors who were planning on starting a large practice a couple of years ago.
I can't remember the term used for originating this undertaking but the fees from local govt were a few hundred thousand dollars.
SO the Doctors went else where --said screw them or whatever. That is nothing short of extortion -it's the city of crestview trying to put money in their til to pay themselves.

One of my BIG gripes about this military crap is that a combat soldier ducking for cover with bullets flying over head makes $30ish a year -while a paper shuffler sitting on their azz out here at Eglin air force base makes more than him!!
That royally pizzes me off !!

What can the govt do to expand its self--get bigger and more powerful ?
Take more money from the producers and offer it to society to get onboard with the govt -think will work ?

People who have said -well go get yourself a govt job -quit biching -you made a bad career choice etc. --- I'm proud that I don't think like that.
Mike

Right on Pat85 !

yeah, I chuckled myself.....

The rest of the thread is nothing more than a time suck....

I've ways been curious about the thinking that leads to this....

I work for a municipality. My benefits and pension are funded by the taxpayers in my municipality. And as far as I know, that doesn't include anyone on this thread.

So how is it any of y'all's business what taxpayers in a town in Texas pay me, if you're not the one doing it?

I don't see where anybody singled you out .

http://www.jec.senate.gov/republica..._id=6bdeeee9-4560-4904-bb2e-73cea6de06ab


Sometimes....its easier to deny the truth than it is to face up to it.........

I guess I should feel guilty, I don't have kids, didn't piss away money I didn't have, don't have to pay for kids college, braces etc, how is it fair that I get away with that.

If the people of the city said fire fighter is retiring from have a problem with it they can always change it to a volunteer department.
What would you propose to be fair compensation for the people responsible for educating your kids?
And as for the military every cog has it's place in the larger machine.

So you don't want to answer the question?

Wow! As a retired state employee from Texas I would certainly appreciate some of the gravy metioned here. My check ain't near the figures some of you guys are throwing out!!!!!!

The "Peter Principle" was alive and well at the agency. But the vast majority of the folks I worked with did yoeman's work in the field. For little pay and in all hours. Our retirement system is regulated by the state retirement system with the employees are the principle contributor. Extremely little of taxpayers funds go into the system.

Now, putting the shoe on the other foot. Some of The most corrupt, batch of swindlers And hog thieves I ever had to deal with were contractor from the private sector. Companies we had to deal with on a legislatively mandated basis. Who constantly would not perform jobs to specs, and defaulted on projects costing taxpayers millions.

Yep, we just need to spread all that wealth around huh?

That's pretty much how it reads ain't it?

Nobody should make that much money = Everybody should get to be a cheerleader

They're all lazy = They're all a bunch of sluts anyway

I was too principled to work for the government = I didn't want to be a cheerleader anyway.

Agreed, make it work for the military too. In fact, lets us live by the same rule. Everyone should move every 2-3 years to God knows where.

They feign indignation over the Taxpayers protest...yet expect us to remain silent over the Trillions of dollars being taken from us...


http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/...0Crisis%20that%20Threatens%20America.pdf

So these contractors did not have to put up a bond to get this work? who allowed that to happen?

Oh yea, the private sector will attempt to screw over the 'government' at the drop of a hat, but that's ok, since the government is 'screwing' them over.

We all have options, as to what we do for a living.


granted I'll be upfront and admit there's some jealousy on my part.


for me to retire in the same manner as our typical borough(county for most folks) employee (includes all their retirement bennies, health etc.)

I'd have to have a 4 million dollar annuity

that's a fact

city employees of my age approaching retirement are even better off in many cases, particularly our police and firefighters.

I have a hard time imagining that every borough employee left to their own devices in the private sector would have accrued 4 million, though I've no doubt a percentage of them would have.

we have some outstanding pros in all areas of our gov't, but we also have some that you wonder how they've kept a job.

it's a dilemma, I want good police and firefighter and other public employees, to get and retain them there has to be some financial incentive, I get that.


the trouble is, everyone in our borough,city, state retires very well. the morons along with the good folks that fill a need in any community.


private enterprise is what pays for all of it.


so in summation, I'd have to say those folks that opted for gov't service were the "smart" ones.


if I could go back in life would I have done it differently and tried to get in on the public trough?

Nope, it's been a good to great life, lots of hard work, lots of struggles, lots of years reinvesting back into the businesses.

Plus I think a day of reckoning is coming for most pension holders, in many cities, counties and states, the money is just not there to honor those commitments made to their public employees.

they'll undoubtedly have to raise taxes on folks in private enterprise to pay for those folks and their benefits.

so while it looks like a good thing those retirement benefits, I'm thinking I much prefer to have my smaller aggegrate nest egg under my direct control and know that the money I've saved for retirement is more likely to be there than a promise of an IOU from the gov't.


I don't have a lot of faith in gov't truthfully, I've seen the promises they make be reneged upon time and time again throughout history.


and even folks like myself that have their retirement eggs in their direct control, may have some real shocks in place in the future, the "bail in of Cyprus" may very well come across the pond to our shores in the future.


imagine to awaken one day and your million dollar bank account has been reduced by 20% cash and replaced with stock in the bank you had it in!


we've got some reckoning ahead of us, IF we can become an energy exporter, we may indeed may be able to meet our obligations to our public employees

but if that scenario doesn't play out, I'd say a day of reckoning is coming when many gov't entities run out of money due to checks they wrote with their alligator mouths that the private public which funds all these obligations our humming bird azzes in the private sector can't cash those checks.

someone is gonna be pizzed, and what I've seen of "justice" from our courts, I'd say both sides public and private are gonna be left rubbing their azzes because they both feel screwed, by the false economy perpetrated upon us by our elected public officials. Would surprise me none to see public pensions and benefits cut from the original contracts, all the while sales taxes, property taxes, state taxes go way up.

Agreed, and sad to say, a bunch of thieving farmers have become rich on .gov sudsidies, who knew that?

Thieves of all kinds are the same, there is a lot of fat/waste to be trimmed in ALL departments and agencies.

Gunner

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I never said anything about you or where you live or whether or not the people in your area want you to get X amount of money -retirement.

I wish you the best -I don't know you personally -.
All I have said is I don't like having money taken from me that I earned -then be put towards any and all govt employees retirements.
Why should anybody out here working pay for the govt workers?
They shouldn't !

I don't know what you do -a cop I think -I'm all for you making good money for what you do -but i'm not for supporting you the rest of your life once you retire.

Someone said a while back that any and all promised future retirement monies should have to be paid in that fiscal year.
I couldn't agree more then people would/could see how much it all costs more easily.

So everyone should be equal? Should everyone receive the same pay also?

Too many folks look at things as an all or nothing and it ain't that simple, never has been.

Does the government need to be trimmed, yes. Are their too many agencies, yes. Are all government employees lazy, no goods, no.

Again, I've watched GS employees working 14+ hours a day, day in and day out for weeks. They didn't get extra money for all the hours, though some did take comp days when they could. I saw a dedication to the job/mission by them that inspired all in uniform.

I also saw GS workers that came from DC to 'assist' that were a waste of space. Not all by any stretch, but percentage for sure.

I also saw GS employees get fired for being inept. We complained/reported up about the incompetence of certain GS employees and action was taken.

I've seen too many that were working in the field that did great work and worked long hours to lump them all together.

I see now why our Country is in such a fiscal mess...do you realize how dumb your response is...seriously..???

Everyone being responsible for their own retirement means fund it yourself. Save your money...invest as you like...

Why do you feel entitled to other peoples money?

It has nothing to do with everyone making the same wage...what silliness...really...

Sure they bonded. In most cases they would default and reorganize as a totally different company. Or accept partial payment and then default. Or simply not show up. Our Biggest enemy was and still is the state legislature. With passed legislation stating that a certain percentage of work had to be contracted as it would "save" state cash. In the case of engineering work like plans etc., it was 55%! We generally had to re-do all plans for traffic signals as they weren't to specs ! Now the agency is going thru the same thing with IT contractors.

Agreed, why the [bleep] should this guy get any of your taxpayer money for the rest of his life.

Because he's disabled .

He was a soldier and earned it!
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I said this a few posts back.
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One of my BIG gripes about this military crap is that a combat soldier ducking for cover with bullets flying over head makes $30ish a year -while a paper shuffler sitting on their azz out here at Eglin air force base makes more than him!!
That royally pizzes me off !!

Just a point of clarification for me and all it requires is a "yes" or "no" answer, but do you guys place retired military under the same group as "Government Workers"? I just need to know before I proffer an opinion. jorge

Never said I was entitled to other peoples money. I work in the private sector but I do have a pension. It is part of my compensation package that was agreed upon when I accepted employment. To propose that government should level the playing field goes against the principles of the free market. If you have a problem with the way your local government is handling their finances do something about it.

Steelhead's post is meant to deflect the issue...

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My answer is 'somewhat' I do.
Having lived outside Keesler AFB for years and having met MANY guys and gals who got in the military to be on the gov't tit.
Many of them told me they made damn sure that they would probably never have to go to war and they'd get college paid for etc etc. .

For every one of these guys there's 10 fat azz's sitting behind a desk getting rich. I know one of them. Married his girlfriend 2 weeks before he retired so she'd get hers, and now he makes 6 figures on the same base dealing with the wounded.

Don't get me wrong. The AG's office did have their day with these guys!! They simply didn't walk!

We can definitely agree on public employee unions though. Even FDR saw the danger in that.

GMAFB, I guess I forgot to break the code on how to pick duty stations, avoid harms way, etc...

Here's the 64 thousand dollar question...

Social Security is just about out of money...does the Government continue paying it and turn it into subsidy or tell the recipients that it's over?

Ergo...there is no money to pay for these taxpayer funded pensions and free heath care for life...there was actually no way these plans were financially self sustainable.

So..same question...do the Taxpayers continue paying it and turn it into subsidy or tell the recipients that it's over?

Rhetorical ? -eh?

jorgeI...how many military members actually serve long enough to qualify for a pension? My Brother served 23 years in the Air Force and his Pension ain't all that much to write home about.

It's actually going to be one hell of a nasty dogfight....

Many refuse to accept that the system is not sustainable...

Every State is in the same boat. We have people retiring in their 50's with annual Taxpayer funded Pensions over 100K per year, exempt from State Taxes, and free Health Care for life for themselves and their spouse. Wonderful, some may draw well over 3-5 million in Taxpayer funded benefits and the only way to fund it is to tax the hell out of those left working. No way it ain't all gonna come crashing down.

If pensions are managed properly it is not an issue. http://www.statesman.com/news/news/opinion/mccown-villanueva-texas-public-pensions-on-sound-f/nWcJ2/

Neither is mine and I ask for nothing more. Did my share of looking down on pogues until I had passed up chance to leave the infantry. Made my choice and they made theirs.

Those that choose to start their own business rather than work for someone else-----private or govt.----are taking a calculated risk. A guy with a poor business model and a product/service nobody wants won't prosper like the next guy who has his [bleep] together. Both are taking risks, and both have the potential for unlimited wealth. But there are no guarantees for either. Working for someone else, private or govt. trades the potential unlimited success for the security of a steady job. Working for others can suck as much or more than owning your own business. Different stresses and problems with each scenario, but none can be held up on a pedestal while bitching about the other.

In my extended family I've got people working both sides of this argument. In the fat times, it's easy to feel smug about owning your business, reaping the profits, writing off the crew cab diesel trucks that also end up on the elk hunts each fall, while laughing at those "stupid public servants." As soon as the economy gets a little tough and the housing market slumps, all of a suddend those public employee/govt. workers are evil because they chose the slow and steady approach to a comfortable lifestyle, with a portion of their salary being set aside for retirement. The whining is as predictable as the sun coming up. It always subsides when the economy turns and the private sector starts outstripping the public jobs again.

Carry on girls.

Nice, but you also typed the following

"All I have said is I don't like having money taken from me that I earned -then be put towards any and all govt employees retirements.
Why should anybody out here working pay for the govt workers?"


You do know that military members aren't paid by McDonald's, right?

Ok, you know one of them. I know one POS Obama voting, cacksucking SOB in PA. Therefore, 9 out of 10 in PA are POS Obama voting, cacksucking SOB's.

Deflect what?

"I see now why our Country is in such a fiscal mess...do you realize how dumb your response is...seriously..???

Everyone being responsible for their own retirement means fund it yourself. Save your money...invest as you like...

Why do you feel entitled to other peoples money?"


That's your quote. Sleep well knowing you will not have to pay any pensions for these folks. With any luck many more will buy it before the 20 year mark.

I must be the 1 out of 10 then... How can you have any respect when the guy brags about it? I can't help that you don't like to hear the truth. And for trying to make it personal with me you can ... GFY

Who said it was personal, just trying to follow your line of reasoning.

You know ONE, so that obviously equates to 10, 50, 500? Works for me.

This is the same retarded schit I've hard parroted in every Union thread. Guys who worked or know someone who worked in the UAW are now all of a sudden a [bleep] Union work ethics rocket scientist. Not one of them have worked in a Trade Union meeting crazy deadlines, working 60-12 hour nightshifts in a row, getting injured or almost killed on the job, but yet they still sqwuak that they know that Unions are all about protecting the lazy, and useless workers.

People know one or two bad apples in a branch of Industry and all of a sudden theyre a [bleep] expert.

Doesnt matter, over their careers they have been getting 10 percent merit raises when the economy was in the toilet, and their pension multiplyer is 2, rather than 1.2 in the private sector IF you are lucky enough to have a pension. For all you govt jerk offs, incase you havent noticed, most private corporations, etc dont give pensions now, and if you are lucky you have a 401K to try and build retirement wealth out of plus your SS, of which is going broke. Damn Right we are pi ssed off about govt workers and their BS retirement packages. He ll, only one in ten does a full days work!!!

Oh, and let's cut the BS, you govt jerks always vote for democrats, friggin Obama lovers in hiding..............

GFY

C'mon... you took a stab at me by using my state in your lil example. Tell ya what i'll see him today and i'll drink some of his jim beam, and i might even kick his dog while i'm at it. How's that make ya feel? He is a friend, but i don't agree with the whole milking the system mentality. I'm done arguing

I spent a Summer working in an auto plant

Would have to disagree with you

I took a stab at the stupidity of an example of one. Following your logic, I'm glad your first gal wasn't a bad experience, else you'd likely be a Boy Scout leader in a few years.

I'd be happy to give up my pension and invest the money on my own. Currently 31% of my salary goes directly into my pension. Give me a 31% raise and I'll fend for myself.

And our system has invested intelligently and we are currently meeting the industry accepted standard for unfounded liability in a retirement system.

They're not all created equally, some are good and some are bad. Just like critical thinkers, some can and some can't.

Yea, the military are big fans of Obama. Seems every guy I worked with in uniform couldn't wait to cast their vote for a democrat..

Spoken like the true, on the Taxpayer teat maggot, that you are. Dragging dead Soldiers into your argument to deflect attention away from the issue of Public Employee abuse of the Pension and heath care system.

What do you not remember you azz wipe...last August 12th, my only Son, SPC David Mulno, serving at Fort Bliss Texas went out for a Sunday ride on his bike and passed in an accident. Don't friggen lecture me about dead Soldiers you piece of crap.

We having a service at his grave tomorrow...if you are nearby MA stop by.

I'm not the one say government employees should pay for their pensions.

I'm happy to have served my country, I'm happy that your son did also.

I'm sorry for his death but his death doesn't mean his dad isn't a dumb SOB.

Almost forgot, GFY you Yankee POS.

Save it for someone who cares....I'd rather be a dumb SOB than a political hack maggot who needs to drag dead Soldiers into his case to support a totally corrupt and perverted system.

Paint it any way you want, the private sector makes it happen, Those guys and gals running forklifts at those huge warehouses for 15 bucks an hour to the best of their ability are making these gov. paychecks and pensions happen.They have every right to bitch when more of their pay goes to feed this white elephant. It is in every Gov. employees best interest that we have a prosperous private sector to support it because it wont go very far on a gov employee tax base.

So I serve 29 years in the military and that makes me a political hack? I'll say a prayer tomorrow for your military hack son.

I can "paint" it either way. There are examples of people busting their butts in BOTH sectors, as there are examples of lazy, paycheck collectors. But most of the whining comes from the private sector guys during a down economy.

If the fork lift operators don't like a $15 a hour job they're still free to better themselves in the areas required to get a higher paying job. If they're happy where they are then good for them, and carry on.

And not that I disagree Pat that the private sector creates the jobs and supports the growth of strong economy. You're absolutely correct there.

I'm just curious as to when military service became sucking at the gov teat.

Yep and I will guarantee you the coal miners, energy industry, and railroad employees make much more than our city, county and state employees in general. In fact I have seen people from all 3 leave their "gravy train" jobs for the private sector.

Now I will say there are people in both public and private that are paid far more than they are worth. I don't care who you work for...I don't like lazy people.

I've now asked that same question, TWICE, but it seems the metrosexual contingent is showing why they never chose to serve, or so it appears...

Who said it was?

All I know is that when I was in the Army the milk tasted like s#it.

Sorry for your loss. When you have a couple minutes to spare try to educate yourself on how the system works. You're attacking people over an issue they did not create. You are assuming that the taxpayers dunning does not return as a bonus. In some cases it does so in spades.

Yep, some folks work the system and wind up with a lush annuity but they are a distinct minority. As a percentage, the number of federal retirees taking home 6 digit annual incomes is damn rare, well, except for career politicians. The number taking home over 50k/year is not significant either.


Meanwhile back at the ranch you're embarrassing yourself. Do America a favor and stuff Massachusetts up John Kerry's ass.

Well the tenor of your posts sure as [bleep] suggests it, not to mention another that thinks like you:

"military service" might be viewed as serving a tour of duty for the country while making a career in the military might be viewed as nothing more than a job.

Who cares what he does after he retired he earned it.

There is nothing in my posts suggesting any such thing.

I'm well versed in the debate over Federal, State and local Public Employee Pensions and Heath Care Debt. I'm in one of the States going broke over it. Ma has the highest Public Employee debt to capita in the Country.

Equating Military Pensions, which are few and far between, does not even enter my mind when I speak of Federal Employees.

Arguably the single most idiotic post your sorry ass has vomited here. A job? Make sure you yell that loud you worthlessasshole, Arlington's a long way from whatever rathole you're posting this. Worthless POS democrap... And it's CAREER you moron, a carrier is what I landed on, over six hundred times BTW, while your sorry ass was home stabbing the country in the back by voting for democraps..

Fair enough...

What precisely, in the hell is wrong with you? Since when is it just a job to be called on in a moments notice to risk and give your life? Hardly OSHO standards!

Well it can be a viewpoint of many. Looks like a duck asking if he may be a duck.
GFY

I understand that cops do it every day but don't brag.

You will not get too much argument out of me when it comes to fedgov, it is way bloated and it is not due to the military. Although they could do some trimming as well. This thread started about local and state spending. And as a resident of Texas who lives outside of any city limits I do not feel too burdened by anything other than fedgov. Being in Mass. I'm sure you feel differently.

Listen, my family has a long history of service to this Country so I'm not sure how my writings led some to believe I'm against the military.

I live in Tewksbury MA, a Town of 28,000 people. In my 21 years in this Town my taxes have tripled, the Towns infrastructure has been run down and last month we were told at Town Meeting we "owe" 165 Million in Town Pension and Health Debt, 165 Million for 28,000 residents.

My state has admitted we "owe" 65-85 Billion in State debt for public employee pension and retirement health care debt.

My calculator don't have enough zeros to figure it out but we owe a serious sum of money to these programs here. And I honestly have not had a raise in over 5 years.

The libtards always project their own insecurity and cowardliness when demeaning those who had the balls to put their lives, health at risk for service to our country.

Libtards are very good a projecting their fears and insecurities.

"I understand that cops do it every day but don't brag."


You even smell like red herring. A straw man with a fishy smell.

Sorry Harry, you're talking about me. A quarter century of ATC contributed quite a bit to this country's GNP and would have been a bargain if I were taking home a 6 digit annuity. I'm not. Neither am I eligible for social security despite having contributed to it for several years prior and after military service. There's a reason few people pursue that career path, that being few are capable of doing it.

So in closing, with all sincerity, GFY ya sniveling bitch.

Charlie, you are such a POS you make JeffO look like a patriot. GFY, I have a better one for you FOAD.

For the self employed guys, private sector, or whatever, that don't have such a nice retirement to look forward to....How much are you currently saving for retirement? Percentage or dollar amount.

I don't expect for what I say to make any difference to those that hate all State and local Government employees' but here goes. I am retired from the Arkansas State Highway and Transportation Department, where I was on a State wide Survey crew for 37 years. Every paycheck that I received had Social Security and retirement withheld from it and I had no choice in the matter. I lived in motels 4 nights a week for most of my career but in the later part we worked 4 ten hour day weeks during the summer months so I was only in a motel for 3 night in those weeks. That is a lot of time away from your family. During my career I cut a lot of line, both center line and cross section lines and even M lines, with a Kiaser blade, brush hook or slingblade, what ever you wish to call it. I have stepped on poison snakes and been bitten by ticks and chiggers while on the job. For many years we would put center line nails down the middle of the highway with a nail every 100 ft., with a five man crew. That is one man giving line with transit and two chaining (one on each end of a 100 ft. chain). That leaves two men as flaggers and the transit and the chainmen might be over a quarter mile apart. Try that when you get brave. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my job with the AHTD but it is not all gravy like the OP would have everyone believe. I do not get any large retirement check but one that is fair for money invested and get around $18000 Social Security that I have to pay taxes on along with the taxes on my retirement check from the State. So, all of this gravy, I helped pay for with every check and I am helping pay for everyone elses gravy too. miles

Fifteen per cent of paycheck into a 401 k for over 20 years

Trying to bump up as I just turned 50 and wifebhas a new career and better pay.

I planned retirement around not receiving SS.

Won't be rich but hopefully not be forced to eat dog food

Funny how people expect roads but don't want to pay for them.

Or happily take tax exemption for 3 kids.


Pretty sure things would be better without how many millions on welfare, how many million illegals and how many millions paid for in jail.

None of those are paying into the system, only sucking from it.

Barakistan notwithstanding, society requires government, and government requires employees.

People were created, not cloned. I'm representative of a large segment of the population in that I kinda chafe at being told what to do by people who are not helping to pay my bills.

And I sure don't want to be telling other folks what THEY have to do, when I'm not signing their paycheck.

And I don't like the idea of my salary being public knowledge, or being able to look at an organizational chart and see my future limitations.

It's good that there is a sizable element of the population that doesn't have those hangups. I don't see them as inferior or superior...... they are just wired differently.

I think that anyone who is successful in the private sector could certainly handle the WORK in a Gov't job.I'm not sure the reverse is true, because SUCCESS in a Gov't job is defined much differently.

I think it is hypocritical for an IRS agent to bitch about getting a speeding ticket in a speed trap.

I think it is hypocritical for a cop to be bitching about his local postmaster, or an IRS agent.

You are all in the same population segment.

I drew 78 bucks a month as a Private when I went in the Marine Corps, and was making a little over 200 bucks as a Cpl. when I got out 4 years later.They didn't have anybody they wanted shot at that particular time, and I could make over twice that in the oil patch, so I gave up the only gov't job on my resume.

Most of us did, in fact.

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Would you like me to take the time to research a collective of crimes committed by people in the military and retired military ?

Obviously you missed a few of my words about how I feel about soldiers making squat while paper shufflers rake in the big bucks.
So you think a boy from my neighborhood -who killed several steers w/a 22mag -never got caught -then shot two horses eyes out w/a BB gun . Sent into the Army to be mostly trouble in there is he a great person and DESERVES a big retirement off the working peoples back. He gets one!
How a good friends father in law -who beat his wife senseless on a regular basis -a drunk -thrown out of the military -somehow got the decision reversed and now gets a govt check and health care -eye care -dental care.
A good friend of mine that I rode motocross with was a captain in the navy stationed at Pascagoula, MS. Told me many stories of what a high percentage of his people were worthless doing just enough to stay in the military to ride out a retirement.
35 sailors under his command 25ish blacks -a few foreigners -couple of females -3 crackers .
He would be late getting to the track on weekends b/c of getting his gangsters out of jail.

So Jorge on this memorial day weekend i'm going to go ahead and appease you and anybody else who has tried to twist my post around and say anybody who has ever signed up in the military signed up to serve this country.
And i'm going to write Fox news and tell them to NEVER air their lies again about the groups of military throwing a fit b/c they didn't want to go to off war.

So how hard are you working if you have time to watch him all day?

Exactly this. I've seen people quit out department because they could make more as a builder/contractor and come back begging for their jobs. I've got friends in RE an they made huge bucks during the boom, start selling off during the bust. Lots of jealousy here and you won't be changing anyone's opinion or earning any respect.

Found this on Google,

"When we add up the true size of the federal workforce � civil servants, postal workers, military personnel, contractors, grantees, and bailed-out businesses � and add in state- and local-government employees � civil servants, teachers, firefighters, and police officers � we reach the astonishing figure of nearly 40 million Americans employed in some way by government. That means that about 17 percent of the American labor pool � one in every six workers � owes its living to the taxpayer."

Actually, that's wrong.

I'll be eligible to retire in my 50s, don't know if I can actually afford to or not, but I can if I want. My pension will be dependent on how long I stay, to break 100K I'd have to stay waaaay longer than I want. I'll still pay taxes. My health care costs won't be free, it'll cost significantly more.

So you're wrong about everything but the age. Congratulations.

Yep Blue he posted pure horseschitt there.

It boggles my mind that folks could be so dense as to believe that because their (town, county, state) is so jacked up that everywhere else must be the same.

Our retirement system is well funded and a huge chunk of my check goes into it.

Who'd of thought this woulda turned to [bleep] after the first post!

IMO-

All gov pensions should start at 62. I couldn't get enough guts together to begrudge a retired military vet his pension, they were earned.

GS is another story. But hell, ain't nothing stopping me from doing the same, so I won't begrudge them their choice.

I will vote, and push my elected officials, to eliminate A LOT of .gov positions however.

The waste is EPIC.

First, you get the 24Hr award for GROSS generalization/characterization of the folks who join the armed forces

Second and FYI, PAY is a function of rank/rate and has NOTHING to do with the MOS (position or job) they might hold. Sure there are pay incentives for the more critical rates or MOS ( I drew an extra 850/month Flight Pay for example), but ostensibly we all get paid the same paper shufflers or (sic) soldiers. Further, if you get (sic) thrown out of the military you don' t get a pension or benefits, which are only collected after serving a minimum of twenty years. As far as your buddy's Captain friend, well bad on him. As a CO it is surprisingly easy to get rid of the bad apples. So carry on with your generalizations...

Yep!

Federal government has not been in recession since O took over. Been many years since I've heard of an ex government worker drawing unemployment or welfare. Once a government worker, always a government worker.

I should have added that I also pay for 100% of my supplement to medicare (part of SS which I pay $100 monthly for) and 100% of my Wife's health insurance. No State help there except for being part of a group plan. Not much gravy there but since we live pretty simple, we get by pretty good. miles

I worked for the US Forest Service for a while. My immediate boss lost his privelages of actually leaving the office and going out on the national forst property because he was convicted in a $400k timber theft scheme where he marked timber not in a timber sale for a cut. His job was to determine what would be thinned, harvested, burned etc...He got to keep his job, he just couldn't do his job. The only reason he wasn't allowed on the national forest was a judge ordered that, not the USFS. The entire reason they hired me was to go out and be the eyes and ears for my boss lol.

That was 18 years ago and I heard 2-3 years ago that he was still working for the USFS.

Didn't realize that there was so many tax feeders on this forum.

It explains a lot,... a *whole* lot.

Not sure about the government workers, but I know our union pension is geared towards 62 or 65, but then we voted to put more of our wages into the union early retirement system. I might be able to go out when I'm 56. Now I won't get the same monthly benefit as I would if I stayed on until 62, but for those who can afford to make the leap at 55, I say congrats, go live life!

We all can't be men leading lives of quite desperation.

Gov workers have a sense of entitlement. I have rarely met anyone with a good work ethic with the exception of those in the military. I believe if you get a government pension you should not be allowed to get social security you get one or the other but not both that is down right dishonest and its a slap in the face to all the hard workers in the private sector.

Not yet, anyway.

Yours will come when the gummint tit goes dry.

You're young.

You'll live to see it.

I get both and a VA disability too boot. I'm laffin all the way to the bank, ha, ha,

I'm not stupid, if I'm entitled to it, I'm going to collect it.

OK, but I'm also gonna stop paying into SS.

Or do you feel entitled to me paying for your SS for you?

And what do you think will happen to your own retirement account (if you're actually smart enough to have one) when, as you say, "the gummint tit goes dry"?

Here's a news flash Bristoe, old boy - if the Government collapses, no one will be left with a pot to piss in.

Not a question of if but when. In case you haven't figured it out we're bankrupt and the reason for that is entitlements.

Yep!

Tomorrow morning when you wake up and are not speaking Arabic, thank a government worker. The private sector does not do much to keep us speaking English.

Allen

Hey Allen, I paid one helluva lot of money into .gov the last 25 years. Think you forgot who keeps the lights on in this country. I am all for having .gov workers quit paying any kind of income taxes whatsoever. Reduce their pay by the same amount of course. Otherwise they start thinking they contribute, when indeed they are just an expense.

Does not do much? Where does the money come from to pay the government worker's income and benefits?

No I will not, but I'm sure you will. You will sit and whinge while those that can do for themselves will step to the fore and take responsibility and keep everyone fed and safe.

After the waters settle the whingers will ooze forward and vilify the doers and worm their way back into control, it is how the world works.

The private sector keeps us moving and progressing, the .gov sector makes sure the private sector has a safe place to do its job.
Do you disagree?
Allen

Methinks we should eliminate the military today. Good luck with that 401k

From the presses in Philly of course.

Did you wake up speaking Arabic this morning?

You did not follow the money far enough.

Govt employees pay as much tax as non govt workers do. IRS does not discriminate over income taxes among the middle class workers, govt employees included.

IRS is not supposed to discriminate in favor of govt employees and where did you get the idea of middle class workers, especially in the govt?

Where in the name of Hades do you come up with this drivel?

Hey Allen, If I gave my kid a $10 allowance and then took $2 back to pay for something for the house and he then thumps his chest and says he is paying to keep the house up, that strikes me about the same as .gov workers paying taxes. Makes no sense. And I should just pay my kid an $8 allowance in that case.

The gov does not create the wealth it needs to grow, it takes it. And with 90 million Amerikans not working, the load is starting to get pretty dam heavy on those of us are in the private sector paying the taxes.

Rogmatt, in 1984 the govt changed its retirement system from CSRS to FERS. FERS employees pay into SS whereas CSRS employees do not. Why shouldn't a current govt employee be entitled to SS when he/she retires? They paid into it as much as non-govt employees have.

Allen

I must be a rare bird. A retired gov worker who actually produced a product.

Helped build electronic and paper maps used to blow up rag heads, and whatever.

Got paid union scale, no complaints there, no SS, good CSRS retirement; but nothing like the numbers I see tossed around on here.

30338 (awesome cartridge BTW), if there were no govt employees to do the work that our tax dollars are paying for, O'Bonehead would give it all to Kenya or some other worthless organization of his choosing and the states would not get one red cent.

Allen

Bow- had I been one year sooner, I would be CSRS and be happily retired now.

Allen

Unless or course you began employment prior to 1984 in which case you are grandfathered into CSRS. There are still many active CSRS employees employed. You guys will be paying for this for 60-80 years or more.

In Ohio I pay into OPERS. As of now, projected 12 years ahead, it looks like my retirement will be about $40,000 a year. I do have enough years to qualify for SS, but figuring the income from OPERS that looks like it is trivial.

Yes, I've figured that out, Klink. But "entitlements" has nothing to do with Government employment, defined benefit plans, or 401k's. If you're going to collect Medicare or SS (and most of us will), you're getting "entitlements".

Yes sir, you are exactly right. I wish that I had been one year earlier. I much prefer the CSRS system over FERS. FERS is quite complicated and 1/3 of FERS retirement is dependent on the employees ability to play the stock market (TSP).

Where do the govt. employees get the money to pay income taxes?

And we here in Arizona have yet another taxpayer ripoff that directly benefits the lifelong gov't worker. I warn you now that this one is so vile that you may not be able to handle it.

It's called SmartWorks. This program allows a worker to retire and pull his/her pension.........while staying yet another year in the same position with the same agency on a contract employee basis. In essence........it is an extension of the employee's last year for a year.........while that employee gets to pull 1) Full retirement pension as programmed, plus 2) SmartWorks based 70%ish of his last year's annual income.

No kidding. I've watched guite a number of these happen the last 3 years..........this means a total of 150% of their last salary paid to them while they are un-engaged, lazy, checked-out, tired, and more than happy to take, take, and take from the taxpayer due to their lifelong development of their entitlement syndrome of which they have NO APPARENT shame for. These workers always left their year of SmartWorks with a pleasant attitude and a huge smile on their face. And they didn't produce DIDDLY!

I'm not making up this sheet.........it's real and it's here now. And I'm quite convinced that this ain't the only fawked up place in America.

Typical retard of the public sector.

Not me,because the general populous is ignorant, even the "smart" folks here...

I beg your pardon!

Referring to ahf who thinks his paying taxes off tax money is a net gain.

Can't make up that kind of stupid.

Yet somehow you have managed to find time to ply the Internet. Did you borrow the computer you're using or buy it? WTF is your point? If you don't like it, change the system or get the hell out of Dodge.

Interesting. I have not heard of this program yet and I live in Az. But I do not work for the state either. Uncle Sugar as a similar program in which they re-hire retired annuitants at a reduced rate in a position close to the one in which they retired from. This is on a year-to-year contract and can be canceled at any time. There are limits to what they can do, but the idea is to pay less for someone with the same experience to do the same job. Instead of paying 10 people to do a job at XXX rate, they can pay 7 people at XXX and 3 at XX. This is their math, not mine, and I have no intention on trying to get into this program. I have had enough!

Allen

It's Sunday night and my day off, Wiz. These are my things......I made a bunch of money working and DELIVERING in business for many years and can afford to be state-of-the-art.

You may consider my posts here as my official desire to change the maniacally fawked up Gov't system.

I earned my position and plan on enjoying every cent of your hard earned tax dollars in my retirement. My tax dollars were spent keeping what narcotics I could off the street so your kid would not get hooked. If you want to complain about what I have done during my gov career, lets go fishing!

This incredible horsesheet is very real. This is scary......dudes. And I mean this.

My local City had a non-degreed garbageman who had somehow been promoted to Public Works Director over the years (simply cuz he STAYED in this lousy org) when they refused to hire someone from the outside who was REALLY qualified. A few years later..........he was promoted to Acting Deputy City Manager..............no fawkin' kidding. He rested there for 3 years while making $143,000 per year.........and doing nothing.

And then, he retired.........plus pulled the SmartWorks salary his last year. He made over $200k his last year working for this LOUSY, CHICKENSHEET, gov't..........and smiled, laughed, and coasted on his way outta here.

Please...........all of you gov't defenders here.........post up a refutable response right here and right now. Or STFU....okay?

SBH, how much do you currently save toward your retirement? Dollar amount or percentage is fine.

What city is that? Are they hiring?

Dink

SBH, if you're tired of your tax dollars paying for the stuff in your city, why don't you move and not pay for it?

LMAO, dude. I am not one of the privileged, fortunate ones. I keep saying it...........but, man.........I'm sooooo pissed off and disgusted. On the other hand......I have great, TERRIFIC people working under me. Just not above me.....LOL...........

In the works......my Gov't worker friend..........

I'm not your friend.

How much do you save for retirement?

Why doesn't one of you guys respond to my statement about SmartWorks and prove me entirely, completely wrong???

Do it now............and save America.

let's review, class...

new guy, noted troller, plops in, starts a big fight between long time posters, and adds just enough fuel to the fire, to keep it rolling.

SBH, if you are as good a hunter, as you are a fisherman, you're awesome!

SBH, post up some REAL strip bucks, and give us some hard to decipher clues about honey holes, etc. + 5 points if you bash the locals for being gang hunters!


p/s Jorge, if you are retired from Blackwater, you had a private job, working for the Govt. If you are retired from the US Navy, you had a Govt. job.

It really IS that simple.

Sycamore

Gov employees are gov employees. I started my adult life as a gov employee. Pretty easy life, if you ask me. Everything was taken care of, and tha paycheck showed up predictibly. I could have stayed in for another 15, but I just wanted more out of life.

But, those who work for the gov are limited on how much they can make. 60k a year doesn't give you much wiggle room with a single earner in a family. That would be my big hang up on ever working a .gov job, as I don't want my wife to work.

So, it's a trade off. It's a safe life to take a gov job. Not much turnover, and you can ride it out for a long time. Most of my pards are Forest Service or State employees. They work hard enough, but they are struggling to get ahead with the cost of living doing what's it's doing.

Why doesn't one of you guys respond to my statement about SmartWorks and prove me entirely, completely wrong???

How old are you, and what is your current salary?

Ok I'll bite. I'm sure there is more to it than you've said but it looks to me like a way to push some people out the door. In the long run they will probably save money since those who take it will no longer accrue additional bennies. It is also possible that the people leaving are under a grandfathered plan that costs more than younger workers.

There isn't more to it, Einstein. This is my whole, entire point here. I'm not making this sheet up......as nobody can. Local gov't work is crooked........and perversely so......vile sick and twisted. Now post up your legitimate 100% disagreement and evidence right here right now goshdangit...........or STFU. Do it NOW!!!

Man, you're an angry dude.

The city I work for has something similar to Smartworks.

Say a guy is making $50K to do job X. The city is paying him $10K every year in vacation, health insurance, retirement, COLA raises, SS, unemployment taxes, etc.

With the Smartworks type program the employee retires on Friday and comes back to work on Monday. Only on Monday he's drawing his retirement.

The city pays him cash at his old salary rate but avoids paying all the extras because he's a contract employer.

The city keeps an experienced employee who doesn't need to be trained for a few extra years and it costs the city $10K less per year to keep them, saving the taxpayers $30K plus whatever his retirement would have increased over the last few years if he would've stayed on the payroll.

That's how the program works.

I told you what it was most likely geared to accomplish. As far as evidence goes, I don't give a s#it. Not my problem. I don't live there. Now GFY

Well, SBH, if that's any reflection on your mathematical abilities, it's no wonder you're no longer in the private sector.

And his inability to articulate effectively would suggest that he sure as heck does not hold an engineering degree, nor any form of responsible employment.


Just another wanker.

absolutely freaking correct!


but you forgot one thing, the public sector only functions cause the private sector funds them, PERIOD.


no loot, no bullets, no tanks, no pay for soldiers.


you don't have to thank us, we're glad to provide.

You think an internet forum is the place to start?

Good read on the subject.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-23/guest-post-generation-x-inconvenient-era

Generation X: An Inconvenient Era

An excerpt:

That�s right, the Boomers, in allegiance with the financial elite, engineered a transfer of all other generations� income to themselves. This, plus being born in an expanding demographic, was the totality of their investing genius.

Why should anyone protest this observation? What do you think the decades-old phrase �the national debt has enslaved our children� means? It means that the Boomers, who were in power at that time, took all the wealth of the nation for themselves and left their children with the bill.

That�s not a surprise, it�s well-known fact that has been approved of by everyone in power for 20 years. I�ve been hearing it openly stated since before the National Commission on Social Security in 1983. When I was 13, my national parents said that I would pay their debts so they could get wealthy at my expense, and they have fully kept their promise. Now I am 43 and not only had the $80,000 of my net worth systematically stolen, but being unable to outvote them, have been saddled against my will with the $50,000/person of the national debt. An estimate of $130,000 per person has been transferred. From us, GenX and Y, to them. And with 10,000 Boomers a day retiring and a 1:1 worker to recipient ratio, they expect much, much more.

So think again before you so easily dismiss the 25% unemployment rate and 3rd-world incomes of Generations X and Y and start with a short lesson on the problems of exponential functions.

Yet this terrible math leaves the question of what's next? Can this unequal state of affairs remain a permanent feature of American life? Can the work of one group-- the very hours of their life--be morally claimed and transferred to another by dictate? That is to say, does one generation have the right to enslave another, whether physically with chains they never earned, or financially with debts they never accrued? And if this transfer was voted into power by a generation and enforced by government dictate, why can�t Generation X and Y vote to transfer all the Boomers� wealth back to themselves?

Equating a Gov't job to military service is exactly the kind of comment I expected from the protected class...

I love my government engineering job.

Another good read along these same lines.

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=54125

AND THE BAND PLAYED ON

An excerpt: (but read it all)

The Millennial generation was born between 1982 and 2004. Therefore, they range in age from 9 years old to 31 years old. There are approximately 87 million of them, or 27.5% of the U.S. population. In comparison, the much ballyhooed Boomer generation only has 65 million cohorts remaining on this earth. The Millennials will have a much greater influence on the direction of this country over the next fifteen years than the currently in control Boomers. There has been abundant scorn heaped upon this young generation by their elders. In a fit of irrationality befit the arrogant, hubristic, delusional elder generations, they somehow blame a cohort in which 54 million of them are still younger than 21 years old for many of the ills afflicting our society. This disgusting display of hubris is par for the course among these delusional elders.

Are Millennials addicted to their iGadgets, cell phones and Facebook pages? Probably. Do they spend too much time on the internet and playing PS3 & Xbox? Certainly. Have they been indoctrinated in social engineering gibberish like diversity and planet worship by government run public school bureaucrats? Absolutely. Are they young, foolish, immature, irrational and not respectful towards their elders? You betcha. Teenagers have acted like this forever. You acted like that. The ongoing crisis in this country and our unsustainable economic system are in no way the result of anything perpetrated by the Millennial generation.

Can the Millennial generation be blamed for the $17 trillion national debt, $222 trillion of unfunded un-payable social obligations promised by corrupt politicians, $1 trillion of annual deficits, undeclared wars being waged across the globe on behalf of the military industrial complex arms dealer mega-corporations, economic policies that have resulted in 48 million people dependent on food stamps, tax policies that enrich those who write the code, trade policies that benefit corporations who gutted the industrial base and shipped jobs overseas to slave labor factories, or monetary policies that have destroyed 96% of the dollar�s purchasing power? They had no say in the creation of our untenable welfare/warfare state.

There are no Millennials among the 535 corrupt bought off politicians slithering down the halls of Congress. There are no Millennials running the Too Big To Control Wall Street banks. There are no Millennials in charge of the mega-corporations that buy and sell our politicians. There are no Millennials at the upper echelon of the Military Industrial Complex or in the upper ranks of the U.S. Military. But, and this is a big but, they have done most of the dying in the Middle East over the last ten years in our multiple undeclared preemptive wars of aggression. They have died under the false pretenses of a War on Terror, when they are truly dying on behalf of the crony capitalists who profit from never ending war. They have been fighting and dying to protect �our oil� that happens to be under �their sand�. If the energy independence storyline was true, why is our military perpetually at war in the Middle East?

I am sure you do. You don't do anything and still get overpaid, thus running the gov further in dept which causes tax hikes to be demanded. Telling the private sector they should pay more taxes so a bunch lazy gov workers who could never make it on the private sector can continue being lazy and worthless is disgusting.

One thing I have learned is that laziness and playing the system happens in any line of work public or private.

Yet you have no idea what I do, who I work for or even who I am. Interesting and quite telling.

Okay, so I missed it by $10k..........it's $30k instead of $40k. Big diff.....and my point still applies. There ain't a lifetime gov't that has ever lived that is worth a six figure pension. This fact is agreed to by many as evidenced by the attacks on public sector pensions that are going on nation wide the last few years. One of the TEA party's platforms.

My own SS statement from two years ago states that I will get $2847 per month if I pull it beginning at age 70. This will be more if I return to the private sector and make $40k - $50k more........and yes I have before.

49 and $90k with 11.49% pension contribution plus 6.2% social security contribution.

$10 k is either 33% or 25%, depending on how you want to figure it.

That's a pretty good factor of safety, even for a Civil Engineer.

I figure folks are worth whatever they can get, in our capitalistic society.

You just need to pick the job you like, that gives you the rewards you want, and quit worrying about the other guy.

None of us will ever know what combination of sacrifice and dumb-luck led to someone else making it or not making it.

Sycamore

now how 'bout sharin' some Strip honey holes? Last Chance? Pigeon? Poverty Mtn?

No. You lied about it. 40K sounded better and it fit your agenda better. If your willing to lie about the dollar amount what else you willing to lie about?

Dink

He makes more than me cuz this local gov't system is twisted and backwards, which is not unlike many others and is my point in this thread. I have many years of high-paying private sector quality work experience and have done many things that a gov't worker has never done. I graduated from the Colorado School of Mines.........and have worked all over over the west. He graduated from Fawk Up State.....and then hid here so as to never be exposed.

Sounds like somebody is JEALOUS. Shame you weren't as smart to work half as hard and make twice as much. Quit complaining and either change your circumstances or GFY

I didn't lie, it wasn't intentional. I just didn't do my homework properly. So he gets his $70k plus only $30k SS............what's the diff??? It's all still wrong!

Tried for many years to get back in from the private sector. Many of us did when the salary/benefit ratio maniacally flip-flopped to greatly favor our superior public sector workers. Had dozens and dozens of interviews. Know which candidate a gov't worker hires???

The one who won't get his job. The one who won't be a threat to him every last working day. BTDT. You get penalized for being talented when dealing with Gov't workers. Most won't even let you in the door.

Jeez Bro, Freeport-McMoRan is screaming for talented folks. Or call Carl in Denver at AMEC, he'll get you working "con los Chilenos en el Altiplano"! (O con los Peruenos).

Work to be done my friend, get out there and beat the bushes. Too bad you didn't do Chemical or Petroleum, you'd be wealthy beyond dreams of avarice.

Sycamore

I contribute roughly 3x (31%) the amount you do into my "gubbmint pension", so no wonder I'll likely draw more than you in retirement.

That's math even you can comprehend...right?

I did. Care to respond to it?

He makes more than me cuz this local gov't system is twisted and backwards, which is not unlike many others and is my point in this thread. I have many years of high-paying private sector quality work experience and have done many things that a gov't worker has never done. I graduated from the Colorado School of Mines.........and have worked all over over the west. He graduated from Fawk Up State.....and then hid here so as to never be exposed. [/quote]

No he makes more than you do because NO ONE likes a whiney ass sniveling bitch who throw BS numbers out like you have here showing your gross incompetance. If your engineering competance is similar with what you have displayed here, get down on the ground and kiss it and be happy you have any job. You are typical smart ass engineer who thinks because you have a "resume" as you say, and graduated from podunk Univer, that you are somehow entitled. Is the fact that you have "worked all over", due to you piss poor attitude and no one will keep you? Sounds like it.

Go put your "Depends" on and grab your crying towel.

Now I have not read all this but IMO the biggest problem we got is frankly people are getting lazy , say you live to be 80 and you "grow up" for 20 years than you work for 20 that leave 40 years I am betting not many make enough in the 20 working years to be ok for the last 40 with out someone eles footing the bills

Stripbuckhunter -I hope you're going to take a day off this week and head down to the guvment building and tell them you're "here to fix it" .These guys make sound pretty easy.

Ghostinthemachine --keep it up and the arabics will come and stomp your ass -make you learn to talk like them.

Bristoe -- generation X and Y aren't going to worry about the fact that somebody sucked their financial future into oblivion.
Remember the Asian lady from California in the news a short while ago she set herself up a $400,000.oo a year retirement she deserves that money.
Please stop posting things that aren't fun -you're upsetting people !

how long you girls going to carry this torch?

Ever seen the thread 'what does 223ai mean ?

No wonder why you're pissed. I'm much younger than you and make a bunch more than you. Sucks to be you.

So you hate the guy but wanted back in? You are soooo smart you couldn't get hired, yet not smart enough to make double what this "stupid government" worker makes in the private sector? I'd say hats off to your local government for being about to spot an azzhole and not give her a job. I've been on both sides of the fence and will gladly take my private sector salary and vacation. In fact, I haven't heard of many "stupid government" employees that don't leave "stupid government" work for an INCREASE in salary in the private sector.

Then again, maybe its the stupid private contractors that charge outrageous fees to the stupid government you should be whining about.

Try vagicil.....

Heh...this does not seem to be going the way the OP expected.

Bravo
Up until your post I thought I had stumbled onto StupidFire by accident.
I have very little use for teachers and school administrators for starters: grossly overpaid parasites! At least in my area.
I agree with what the OP was trying to get across and the axxholes who called him names and disagreed are just that - axxholes

StripBuckHunter
You may as well give up ........we are surrounded by gummint workers.
They vote for a living!!!!!!
Cisco

Don't let this thread die...I dig it. You can learn a lot from one like this.

see 1st signature line below

I feel sorry for you. You couldn't find a real job in the private sector! That's a shame because then you could find out what you are really worth.

Fair compensation for a teacher ?
With the hours they work and Summers off.
Pay and benefits and retirement, free health care.... hmmmm??
Definately not double +++ the average non-union workers pay that they are getting here.

Methinks everyone should quite their Government job and go for the private sector.

Should be plenty of jobs around after the likes of Penisbscot's family is raped and hung by the raiding hordes.

Good idea!

No... let's just give it all to lazy, incompetant municipal workers

Some things are better done by private industry, Some by government entity..case in point...at one time NM got rid of their snow removal equipment ( Yeah laff about that if you don't live there...not sure if they changed this back). They bid it out to private contractors...1st year was good...after that costs skyrocketed...better to have private sector doing that work?

In Wyoming the city, county & state does the snow removal on public roads.. think they should quit entirely and let the populace figure it out

I love the broad brush painting by the ignorant on both sides in this thread ...shows all the arseholes.

You are a good case in point.

Really? can I get a job there? You make 2x what I do!

Thanks for that reminder. If I remember correctly New Mexico dot contracted out a whole bunch of services and really got themselves in a bind as contractors could not meet the specs of the contracts. We had a bunch of surveyors leave TxDOT for New Mexico DOT as they reopened positions. If I remember this was about 1990 or so.

Crooked contractors work hand in hand with crooked politicians at the expense of the taxpaying public

I couldn't agree with you more!!! You will say I'm full of schit but when the transportation commission here went before the senate transportation committee they were told flat out " they didn't deal in facts they dealt in perceptions." Senator Ratliff told them just that!!!

For the sake of those that don't know Bluedreau, I'll say that you picked the wrong guy to say that about. As for you, there is nothing I can say that would do any good.

I also love all the know it all eggspurts showing their asses on here

I would not have physically made it to 62. To get out at 56 is cheaper than owning my back, knees, ankles, neck and hearing for the rest of my life. I'm happy I got out with my heart and lungs in good shape.

You don't get out much. I wish I could drag your ass up a fire line to see what a work ethic is.

Awww shucks....

You know the funny part about it? I'd never judge my "worth" as a person by my job, bank account or pension checks. And I feel sorry for the folks who would.

I'm much more concerned with having a wife and kids love and respect me, a God that sees value in me, and good friends that speak kindly of me.

My condolences Sir.
And don't let that axxewipe "steelhead" get on your nerves, he's just pissin' into the wind and he's all wet

kaywoodie, did you ever run into a man by the name of Dean Wilkerson? He left the AHTD Surveys Division and went to TxDOT sometime in the early 2000 era. Down around Austin. miles

Poor thing. You haven't a clue, do you?

the ignorant bullschitt continues.......

I believe he went to division at state HQ. I did not know him. I was at the district level in maintenance operations. We had a survey crew in our design section of 5. But there positions went to contractors about 15 years ago.

I think that he is the State man that oversees the contractors, in some way or the other. miles

Makes sense! PM sent

Seems like these pension plans all make sense. How are the balance sheets looking these days? Sure that the Illinois and California pension plans are exceptions and that most are fully funded right?

Oh wait, the Missouri plan, first one I googled also seems to be a little light. I am willing to work till I am 85 to insure the public employees keep their pensions and I don't have to learn Chinese because of it. If the cost of living increases seem a little low, let me know and I will kick in a little more personally.

There was a post earlier staying the state of affairs of Texas' pension plan that was pretty spot on. If you go back and look you will see the average pension is somewhere between $17k and $18k a year. So after 28 years I am about average. Naturally there are those who make more. No complaints with that. And we still have to pay for a portion of our medical insurance. I do not get SS as of yet, but I do have a part time job in the private sector.

Takes a special kind of person who makes a career working for the "efficient" government to criticize unions, teachers, SSI recipients, hippies, food stamps, ......

Nah. Most are not funded anymore than they were 60 years ago. Some are well in the black and others are in debt. There are some places, including the Federal Government, in real trouble because of it. Let's be honest...some places have a lot more stupid people than others.

How long has it been since you immigrated from San Francisco?

Since the last homo from Mule Poop, TX immigrated into the city. Figured there were none left, so I moved here. You [bleep] keep churning them out though.

I'm not sure that a Mule Poop homo was a very good trade.

Thank You! Keep straddlin' that barbed wire fence.
We all can't be like you...the "perfect" Axxe hole

Private sector immigrant from CA, private sector emigre homo from Mule Poop, TX, then you, maybe.

I'm not surprised by any explanation of the "ruling class"

Here's hoping we can breed the stupid out of your clan. I'm thinking that will take more than one shot of chlorine in the gene pool.

Careful now...that's my job security you're messin' with.

I collect paychecks from the feds, state, and county. That outta make some jealous [bleep] blow a gasket.

Ohh me! Oh my!
I don't know him or you and didn't realize that his SDS!
Why aren't we informed that the municipal worker has figured out a different way to put on his pants! Ohh wonders!
Having the benefit of being an infrequent campfire guest some of the posters here, especially mr.municipal worker, strike me as KIAA's.
He's rude and ignorant and you pay him way too much deference.
He has a grating personality and I can't imagine him being much different in person.
So FH&HH

I just shat a bunch of stupid into the krapper.
You are welcome to as much as you can eat AND
I'm sure you'll see a noticeable increase in your IQ in a day or so.

If not, come back and eat some more.
You'll get smarter, sooner or later!
I'm betting later (for the piggie - chortle)

That is a new one...is that him & his horse?

You are the Jeopardy champion for the day

Same way in Arkansas. The Highway Department that I retired from, has its pension plan in good shape and it is separate from the others. The board that oversees it is elected from among the members and not appointed by some bureaucrat. Every legislative session some other bunch wants to get their plan mingled with ours but so far, no dice. miles

Yup...it's always amusing to watch folks move to the river bottom, then start bitchin about the owls hootin.

We occasionally use a variation over here that entails the pushing forward of the fist after giving the finger...inference being "and the horse you rode in on as well"!

This whole topic can be explained by the saying, "too many Chiefs and not enough Indians."
Even municipal worker, fence sitter, strawman bsa and the 5yo should be able to comprehend that.
You boys spend entirely too much time disrespecting newcomers and people with a different perspective or life experience.
The OT had a very valid gripe but you chose to attack him because your particular bull was being gored.
Nobody here was disrespecting the military though in my time in the service "lifer" was a term used as a perjorative in what it connotated.
@municipal worker - you know entirely too much about the ins and outs of government work and benefits - that tells me you spend entirely too much time during your "work" day calculating your time left in your working life and the benefits you will have accrued rather than actually doing your job!?
Life can play tricks on you - like a guy I knew, who died on the day he retired.
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In the words of Rodney King, "can't we just get along?"

It seemed to me that he was jealous because someone was making more/better benifits and he thought he was the smarter of the two. Jealousy plain and simple. miles

I hope you're not waiting on us to make you feel better about yourself.

That's all you got out of the Original Post??
Wow!! Maybe you should go back and re-read it.

Ahhh... No
I don't care to join your circle jerk.
You, though are a fine pivot man!
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Strange??? I thought I'd find some kindred souls here at the campfire, some Patriots and Tea Partiers.

Instead of warriors, I find a den of "gubmint" vipers, a few crusty bitches, a handful of rag tags and a bunch of miss nancies. (courtesy of GoNY)

When did these feelings of anger begin?

That was the gist of it. The rest was just trying to his case. miles

I see no Kings here, so why do you act like a Jester?

Maybe this will help.
Topic: Re: The Gov't Worker Gravy Train

Just trying to help. It's not healthy to be mad all the time.

Does anybody take you seriously?
You're funny like.... like a...

Good luck.

Front page article in the state wide newspaper today, "phoenix warned on pensions." In essence a conservative watchdog group is threatening to sue the city over the spiking of public service pensions. The same group, that is, the police and fire etc that we passed in the city council a special tax a year or so ago to prevent layoffs. And the undisclosed or commented on fact that we are over 300 short on the roles of the phx p.d. part of the reason i think is the cost.
A couple of highlights:

"for example, in one instance, a former asst. fire chief increased his lump-sum retirement check by roughly a quarter of a million dollars, to $705,983, and he increased his annual pension benefits by more than $40000 to $130,046 a YEAR.

"The newspaper also found that the spiking policy allowed a few police officers and firefighters to make more in retirement than when they worked.

"?The average public safety pension for a Phoenix retiree is $59,341, about $10,000 more than the statewide average. There are 153 phoenix public safety retirees who receive pensions greater than $88,000 more than two times the average income in arizona.
"The Republic initially reported that pension spiking occurs because the city allows public safety officers to cash in unused sick leave, vacation and deferred compensation to calculate their pensions. The Republic has since learned that the city also counts compensation paid for emergency shifts, bonuses, and vehicle and cellphone allowances to be calculated into salary totals that determine pension benefits.
"This is contra to the following: "State law says "unused sick leave, payment in lieu of vacation, paymnet for unused compensatory time or payment for any fringe benefits cannot be used as compensation to compute retirement benefits."

There is some discussion about just REDUCING the pension checks for some of the people benefiting from this practice. That will fly among a scream of howls.

It just isn't economic to hire a 20something pay him into the 50k a year or above range, he retires out in his 40's and you pay the cola adjusted checks for the next 40 years.
Now i have two family members that benefited from this largese, and i don't deny once or twice they actually fought a fire in their 27something years, but i am also aware of the kitty they got on retirement. There is not much period in the private sector that can compare. Among other things it was common to see them work two or three shifts in a row, which meant mostly working out in the weight room at the fire station, so they could go fishing for a week or two in mexico on their days away.
This type of stuff just doesn't make sense and isn't going to continue. There last couple of years they worked constantly to spike that benefit.

I might add it didn't USE to be this way, when i was playing county mountie you retired at age 65. I think in reality these benefits which are so out of touch with normal reality are due to the relationship between various politicians and the public servic UNIONS that are here, that deliver the vote. Again, when you find out you can vote your self benefits, the system is screwed.

Yup...there are some places like that, the NE and West Coast mostly. The people that live there should do something about it.

When I went to work for the AHTD, you had to work 35 years to get full benefits at any age. Later they lowered it to 30 and then again to 28, where it is now. Retirement is figured on years of service along with your top 3 years salary, by some formula that is complicated. Then you have to choose your payout with a lump sum being one and 120 monthly payments as another. I chose to receive a monthly check for as long as I live, and then my wife gets half that amount as long as she lives. With all of these choices the monthly money is different but it will average out if you live an average length of time after you retire. If you live longer, you get more and if you die sooner you get less. Other State systems are different, some with better payouts, and those are in trouble. Ours is sound. miles

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Right on eh76 -i'm starting to get worked up reading the comments of these d!ckheads ...

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A guy I knew in Biloxi owned a hunting operation and did construction work the remainder of the year, --he let the high rollers on Keesler air force base hunt for free --they let him have hordes of base work and basically charge whatever he wanted..
I'm glad to know I helped pay for those fine folks hunting adventures..

Jealousy is exactly what I read in the original post.

That practice is not limited to gov, I see it everyday in the oil and gas business.

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Why are you so jealous -if you made bad choices in life change it--go get a guvment job yourself. Quit your bichen -omg what a bunch of girls.

How was that did I sound like one of this threads idiots ?

The statement of how much the guvmenters know about their govt retirement is something friends and I laugh about -it's the topic of most of their conversations.

Also -ever notice how many guvmenters have guvmenter spouses ?

I know we need certain things from govt and people to do it -but it is very lop-sided and the vast majority of people know it.
Some people work in govt and don't make very much money and do work hard --BUT that is not the case the majority of the time.

A couple of years ago when the economy went down -and the tax base went with it -the price of -car-boat -rv etc. tags went up 110% in one year !
A women at the tag office said -well we have to pay it to - I politely told her -not really -it was jacked up so none of you would lose your govt job benefits and retirement !
She looked at me like I was crazy....

I find it funny how there are those that push a button every 4 years then bitch behind a keyboard about what's wrong with government. It's a big machine and an imperfect one at that, but I'd be willing to bet there are more Administrative Assistants working for less than $10 an hour that have accomplished more for good government than most of the schleps whining on this thread.

But, it's a big world and there are lots of other countries and lots of other governments. Take your pick, pack your schit, and get on the next boat. I'll gladly stay here.......

Me too and in the mean time I'll let the people our Forefathers warned us about know they are a vacuum on the SYSTEM.!

Throwin' rocks at everybody that works for the "government" ain't gonna get a person any more love than comparing everybody otherwise employed. Using that logic, everybody that is self employed is a whore.

[bleep] love, some of them "bad deal" pensioners better get six feet under before Mandarin is mandatory.

well, number one, my taxes are not paying MY retirement, and nobody knows what choices I made, which includes a fairly decent net worth.
And i do object to our local little sugar pie because it is uneconomic. And i do know that phx is short about 300 or maybe a bigger number of police, mainly because i don't think they can afford the new hires.
And I DO know, having been one, quite a few really decent cops and firemen, some of which i have had as clients/friends/people i worked with. But that doesn't make what I wrote any less true, and is reflective of only my area. But these things only work when you have an expanding tax base. You could refer to the dispatcher on the line with a woman in s.w. oregon pleading for help from an attacker, the police dept was closed till the following day. She was raped.
I have a local situation in my neighborhood where a woman is being stalked, she has called the popo a number of times, her story, and is getting no response. I don't begrudge any first responder what they get, but it can get unreasonable and is subject to question. Like paying the superintendent of the local school district about 250k a year.

I don't doubt you one bit. It costs a lot more to work short than it does to be fully staffed because of overtime. I'm also familiar with the deal in Oregon. They decided to maintain all the Commissioner's pet projects instead of fire and police. Who's fault is that? People choose to live in, and around liberals, then bitch when stuff like this happens. Even worse, are those who leave liberal places and bring their depraved beliefs with them.

What civilian government employee gets a full pension? While Federal benefits are decent, they're not the gravy train most people think they are.

TSP (thrift savings plan) isnt a hell of a lot different than a normal 401k, agency and govt will match 5%, up to you to chip in more just like anyone else with a 401k.

Look up FERS (Federal employee retirement) and see its whopping benefits, it aint much. Supplement prior to SS thats aprox 1-1.5% of your salary.

Go get a different job if you like, dont bitch about something you obviously know nothing about.

Roninphx my second sentence was directed at you -sarcasm -this is a long thread I know -but the words "why are you so jealous" stuff has been said to anybody that has called out the govt waste.
I was just mocking them -not you.

ltppowell - I know we need cops and I dang sure know we need soldiers and I know America is huge operation and there is going to be waste involved.
I think most every person since the OP stripbuckhunter started this has said that many many in the govt are paid far more than they are worth. And I don't mean you ltppowell.
Like Roninphx just stated -school administrators making $250K per year =ridiculous..

Remember the Wisconsin union school thread -I read up on part of it --the highest paid people in the state of Wisconsin are not docters -businessmen -entrepreneurs -or rocket scientist -they're govt workers .I think it was 10 out of the one dozen highest W-2 form paycheckers --govt workers.
It's out of control and has to be dealt with -although of coarse it's always DON'T GORE MY OXEN .
My whole family is union or govt -and talk openly about how great the govt tit is -when I mention who pays for it all --gotta go -see you later .
All of them have all their kids -my nieces/nephews and second cousins lined up for govt jobs since unions ain't looking as sweet.
This CAN NOT continue --it's impossible.

I believe I read the highest paid state employees in each state are college football coaches....

I believe it.

Sycamore

Bravo !

....a perspicacious and timely observation, about an "uninterpretable" mess.

keep your gate closed, and post your property.

GTC

How many people know who is on their local school board or where they stand on such issues. Same goes for city gov & state reps. People don't vote unless there is a national election (even then most don't know who is on the local ballot) then wonder why their local gov is all effed up.

I do know that just a few years ago the Director of the AHTD was making not much over $100,000.00. Around 110 or 115 if I recall correctly, and I was a way down the totem pole from him. miles

The highway chief's $195,000 pension � and more

The ironic part is that as soon as some turd breaks in and steals from, or vandalizes your business, the first people you call and cry to is us pathetic government workers to come and help

How many days off do you get per year?

How many sick days, holidays, vacation days?

How much Sick pay do you accrue Sam?

Haven't been sick enough to miss work in over 3 years.

Did have some nasty 'pinkeye' about 2 weeks ago though and literally couldn't go outside in the sunlight for an entire day. Hurt like hell even inside the house wearing sunglasses.


Our Federal Government(non-military) is a bunch of puzzy's.


Any .gov employees feel free to correct me if I'm wrong....grin

amazing what the occasional shot of Ralgro to the leg does cause the shot guy is drunk at branding time

'Clean' living(and a clean conscious) combined with all that fresh air does wonders for self motivation.

These conversations always get stupid. Every job has costs and benefits.

I get a buttload of vacation and sick time. Some folks don't. But some folks haven't had to hire an attorney because they were frivolously sued for six million dollars for doing their job, spending four years in depositions and testimony in federal court.

To assume that the totality of any job comes down to pay, schedule or vacation time is silly.

I loved my goopermeny job...with NO time clock....just rite the time worked in,every week .........that rocked ...oh did I forget my time as contractor?...............what a joke.

How many Goverment checks do ranchers get these days? What about crop insurance every year? Crp check?

You benefit more from the Goverment than any 40 hour employee.

Dink

Don't know of any payments that ranchers receive from the government, you will have to fill me in on that. Feel free to explain.

Federal crop insurance payment(that we pay) isn't nearly that much.

We don't farm very much though so I'm not up all the specifics.

Glad self employed folks have no liability/insurance expense.

No possible justification exists for and it is extremely damaging to America's culture for government employees doing 1/5 as much work to be given nearly twice what those in the private sector earn.

'Overpaid Federal Workers'

'the average federal civilian worker now earns 74 percent more in wages and benefits than the average worker in the U.S. private sector.

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/overpaid-federal-workers#sthash.78oDHFOs.dpuf'

'Another Perk of Working For Uncle Sam: Less Work'

'the federal government employees who were previously doing the work would appear to be less than one-fifth as productive as their private sector peers in working to produce the same output.'

http://finance.townhall.com/columni...-for-uncle-sam-less-work-n1672817/page/2

My main gripe with .gov is that they get paid not to work.

Seriously, how much PTO do you really deserve?


Catfish Day, Sunflower Day, Moon Day, Valentines Day falls on a weekend so we better get the following Monday off just because it didn't land on a weekday this year....

Hell, they called a snow day back in DC and it didn't even snow!


If you are really needed in your line of work you show up and work!



Country is going broke and we are paying people to not work?


And to be clear I'm not bitching about the county deputy type of employee.


I would love to know how many days off our worthless Prez takes a year. He should set an example and show some work ethic and try to turn things around for our country.

Pathetic that he doesn't even have a clue...............................