I agree with most of what everybody else said here. Over all the deer numbers are down. But the quality of the bucks I have seen this year have been much better then in the passed. I turned down a few nice shooter bucks this year and then I took this guy Nov 6 in the peak of the rut, good 9pt. I was 22 feet up in the tree lounge and called him right to me. I spined him with a carbon fiber gold tip and 100 gr Nap thunderhead. He only went about 30 yards and pilled up.