I've actually had good luck with the Lefty Kreh-type,braid to flouro, by adding a few more twists before tightening down. It's not as slim as the FG, but it's WAY faster/easier, and at least as tough in my saltwater use with 20# Snook up to 70# bull sharks. The FG takes more loops than indicated, to hold flouro to braid, IME.....but I'm often running similarly #rated rated, lighter poundage lines, which means very thin/slick braids vs much thicker/stiffer leaders...it's just hard to do strong AND small AND easy to tie, with braid to flouro, but it might be me. wink