I agree with the ability to twist if needed vs. big time twisting like target shooters. Most shots where I hunt don't require a twist, but being prepared, knowing I can, feels good.

I'm not sure I'd pay what a Z5 costs in today's competitive market, but they are good scopes and are light weight.

I've been impressed with the latest VX-2 offerings; they're way better than the older VX-II's, IMO. In fact, VX-2 glass in pretty close to VX-3, at least to my eyes.

I like the CDS, think it's about the best value on the market for a hunter who, like us, isn't a full time/big time turret twister... smile

I've read the CDS complaints, have had no issues. Have read that Leupolds won't return to zero. I have no complaints there either, but my application is evidently different than theirs.

Leupolds may not be as tough as NF and others, but in some cases are about half the weight and much sleeker. Matching scope to rifle for the intended purpose is an art form. Everyone doesn't view art the same way.

DF