Had an old Ruger 77 in 338 that would regularly shoot NBT into one hole groups. It shot NP into just over an inch. After acquiring a 340wby that shot really wel with factory loads and seeing how poorly the 200g NBT performed on elk, I sold the rifle to a buddy. I've regretted it ever since as those NBTs really worked well on big mule deer. Funny thing about the rifle was the barrel was not straight--you could visibly see it when trying to bore sight it. Still, it shot lights out with with 200g NBT and IMR4350 or RL 19.