I figure I would mention that I have used the new Winchester Power Max bonded core 180 grain from a 30-06 on several antelope and 2 mule deer bucks. No recovered bullets from the antelope because they are the size of a large dog. However I have recovered 2 bullets from the deer. Expansion was impressive but because of the very large frontal area, penetration suffered. An interesting bullet for deer but I would not use them on anything or any shot that required penetration.