Thanks guys, just the kind of info I was looking for. I've never seen any bad reviews on Len's rifles and I've never seen a used one for sale (I guess that's a good thing), this first hand info is great! Same with GA Precision, you don't see many used ones for sale. I called Ga Precision and they said they are telling their customers there is an 8 month wait for a build and hoping to deliver it in 6 months. Len's Mountain Rifle weights 6.5 lbs bare and 8 lbs even with a Swarovski 3-18 Sheep Hunters scope, just right for a western hunting rifle. I'll let you guys know what I decide to do. Thanks again to all.