I shot an 200lb buck in the shoulder with the leverevolution bullet at 25-30 yards. He bowed up ran about 50 yards and crashed. I immediately went after him to find he got up and ran a good ways to a tree top. I shot him again in the white spot under jaw and that did the trick. The bullet penciled through the shoulder without expanding, same with the neck shot. I had similar results this past weekend on a doe on a management area draw hunt. I have used a 35 Whelen and it will anchor a deer shot through the shoulder/shoulders. I hate to take that much of step if a 358 will do what I want. I want something that will produce a good blood trail. I've killed alot deer with alot of different cartridges, but not too many with bigger slower bullets. Compared to a 308, 30-06, etc, even a 243, the 35 remington doesn't seem to kill as fast. I'm considering having my barrel reamed to a 358 winchester, but I don't want to do it and get the same results.